Why should people be forced to get vaccinated in order to protect others who choose not to get vaccinated??

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Shellandshilo1956

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Because i didn't see the follow up response.
You sound like that is my fault? It isn't. Sounds like you already have your own agenda, regardless of my response.

So sounds pretty ideological - because it's in the order of "5G causes cancer" or the vaccines contain a microchip.
I have no idea what this weird equivocation is, between 5G cancer causing signals, and vaccines with microchips, with exactly what this vaccine is and what it does. One is real, verifiable, reproducible, and unquestionably science. The other is just another conspiracy theory, designed only to poison the well, by trying to make the two the same. So what exactly in my comments is just an idea? I didn't think so. And, unless all of the specific things and biological processes I mentioned are just ideas, then you don't have a clue what idealism really is.

So...bascially just curious what expert or scientist or research body do you need to hear from that would persuade you. Not me offering to show you these entities -because you may just state that you don't trust them. I'm specifically wanting to know so that if we stumble upon something you trust, you would, you know, trust instead of cherry picking.
Still speaking in generalities I see. I am only interested in what experts KNOW and can PROVE. I am not interested in what their OPINIONS are. Especially, before I stick anything in my arm. If a doctor tells me that I have a week left to live, he had better prove to me why that is. I'm not interested in just his opinion. If you want to stick vaccines into your arm, because a journalist/accountant(Australian CMO) tells you that in his opinion you should, then you are a bloody idiot. But it is your right to be an idiot. And, it is my right NOT to.

Look, I've given you a hundred reasons why no one should stick this poison into their arms. You're asking me what it will take to convince me that those hundred reasons are wrong? You are also making an assumption that there is a scientist, a researcher, or an expert, that I would blindly follow. NO. I simply use the scientific method of investigation. I'm only interested in verifiable truisms. If, I jump of a building gravity will kill me. I don't have to make appeals to authority to know this. So when I see what is in the vaccine, what it does, how it affects the immune system, why adverse events occur, and company liability disclaimers, you got to be kidding me.

Sick people don't spew raw virus particles. They spew out droplets of water/spit/sneeze stuff that has those particles. Those droplets are blocked by masks...Pretty sad you didn't realise that or even read up on that. That's probably again, more related to ideological/political rather than any science. Might as well question why every surgery has the medical staff wear masks given that those virus particles are so small etc as well.
Why do you make these assumptions, and then insult me? You don't know me. And if you did read or understand about the body, or its physiology, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Did they tell you that you also breath in through the sides of poor-fitting masks? This allows for most of the droplets to enter. How about those droplets entering through the eyes? How about people taking masks off to eat. Do the virus take a time out until the host is finished? Do you think that not one of the millions of viruses in those droplets hitting the mask at 140km/h will enter through the pores? Of course, thousands will! Also, there is very little information on the efficacy of face masks. This is just another way of saying that they don't work.

Surgeons have have been performing surgeries long before antibiotics or even masks were around(Civil War).
 

Shellandshilo1956

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During the Christmas week, there have been a total of 16,125 Covid-19 cases in Queensland(Only 0.7% of the population). 150 people were hospitalized(not sure of the reasons). And only ONE 77yo was admitted to the ICU. There were 7 deaths(Only 0.0003% of the population). And there have only been 1 man in his 80's from NSW who has died with the Omicron variant. Sorry, the report only says, "LINKED TO". So not sure exactly what that means. But that is the language of politics. It doesn't have to be true, just as long as it sounds like, or infers that it is true. He also died from other chronic complications as well. But you don't want to hear that!

So just blatant, and irresponsible fear-mongering. Do these facts indicate a viral apocalypse, where people are dropping like flies? The Omicron variant is the weakest and less-lethal of all of the variants. So why would you claim that its gonna get you. You are part of the problem. You and your disinformation is what's keeping the people ignorant and confused.
 

stunspore

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Yeh looks like our resident antivaxxer is simply not open for rational debate.
Perhaps just allow the antivaxxer vent and fume and don't waste any time.
 
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Crackey

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As in, you think you might like Paul again?
No, not as a serious source of information, but the humour in that video is absolutely magnificent! If he keeps that up I may remove him from my personal banned list.
Uh, that would be Omicron.
Still makes no sense. How should I "get used to" something that's not happened and (if the track record is any indication) probably never will.
 

chris155au

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No, not as a serious source of information, but the humour in that video is absolutely magnificent! If he keeps that up I may remove him from my personal banned list.
Why the hell did you ban him?

Still makes no sense. How should I "get used to" something that's not happened and (if the track record is any indication) probably never will.
As in, get used to the idea that it IS coming!
 

Crackey

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Why the hell did you ban him?
Farce comedy irritates me. Three Stooges, Marx Brothers, Jerry Lewis, Robin Williams .... a waste of my time. In the Jones/Watson case, they actually want me to take them seriously! But this video is an example of a well-thought-out blend of farce and fact. Magnificent, no matter what Watson expects of me!
As in, get used to the idea that it IS coming!
Do you have a dictionary somewhere within reach?
 

Crackey

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Then you shouldn't have a problem with Paul, because farce comedy is not what he does.
The point is, that is exactly what he achieves whether it's his intention or not.
Sure, it's called the internet. What word do you need the definition for?
You need to understand the meaning of "getting used" to something. Your statement makes no sense. It's like you telling me that you're going to Malaga for the first time this coming June and me asking you, "Did you enjoy it?"
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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All I hear is the same scared, insecure, medically ignorant people, desperately trying to muddy the waters with their conspiracy theory security blanket. Just to save face. But here's a thought for these special sheeples. Lets suppose we wind back the clock to Jan. 1st 2020, in Sydney's Centennial Park. There is an Australian speaking loudly to all the passerby's. He is telling people about an impending Australian catastrophe.

He says, that the world and Australia will be attacked by a flu-like virus. That this virus will kill millions and infect millions more in the next 2 years. That when this virus reaches Australia, the government will

initiate lockdowns, force people to wear masks, and to keep 2 meters apart.
close down our international and national borders, and regulate all entry and exists.
force thousands of small and medium size businesses to close their doors for good.
ban large groups at weddings, parties, sporting venues, funerals, and restaurants.
end a million jobs, and destroy millions of the hopes and dreams of its people.
force Australians to carry vaccine passports, to access most venues and businesses.
create a bigoted 2 class society. Where the vaxxed discriminate against the unvaxxed. indirectly force Australians to carry tracking apps, for their movements to be monitored.
indirectly force Australians to be vaccinated, or not to be hired, or must be fired.
indirectly force Australians to take multiple vaccinations of an experimental drug.
suspend Australian's basic and civil liberties, and keep restrictions in place indefinitely.
crush any dissentions with dobbers, fines and arrests.
deputize quasi-police to enforce all/any restrictions
build detention centers to house the infected, suspected infected, or the quarantined.

Would this sound like a CONSPIRACY THEORY? Would you believe that any of this was going to happen? What is ironic and insane, is that if anyone says that this reality is true now, they would be labeled as being a CONSPIRACY THEORISTS. But hey, who cares? Hospital staff are not being overworked, and more unvaccinated victims dying than vaccinated victims, right?? Fuck priorities or people!

Absolute madness! The people who are the least effected, are just laughing at the people who are the most effected.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Yeh looks like our resident antivaxxer is simply not open for rational debate.
Perhaps just allow the antivaxxer vent and fume and don't waste any time.
In other words, maybe you should have kept your foot in your mouth to hide your ignorance. Rather than take it out and prove it! The key word here is "rational". You should really look up the meaning of the word, before you insult us both again!
 

SethBullock

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@Crackey @chris155au

In two years since the start of the pandemic, there have been Covid cases reported in the U.S. that are the equivalent of approaching one fifth of our population. We will reach that one fifth mark soon, what with the huge spike in new cases we are having now.

I realize that there are differences between Australia and the U.S. that effect the spread of the virus in our countries. But your new cases are now spiking up dramatically. The cat is out of the bag, so to speak.

So when Chris says, “Get used to it”, my interpretation of that is a recognition that we are not going to beat this pandemic by containment measures (locking down and all sorts of restrictions). We’ve tried that, and it worked somewhat for a while, but the effort has failed.

So now we live with it.

In my opinion, eventually the virus will work its way through a large segment of your population just like it has in the U.S. I have no idea how large that segment will be, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the U.S. reaches the equivalent of half of our population in a year or two based upon the rate of spread of Omicron.

Of course, the upside of that is that all those people who survive the infection are going to be left with a natural immunity.

We can lessen the symptoms by being vaccinated. We have Covid-specific anti-viral drugs that should become available in 2022.

So my opinion is that the future is that we “get used to it”, so to speak. Natural immunity, vaccination, and new medicines can all have a role in dealing with this virus, and the time is fast approaching that WE OPEN UP AND GET ON WITH OUR LIVES AND GO BACK TO NORMAL.

My two cents ...
 

Crackey

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All I hear is the same scared, insecure, medically ignorant people, desperately trying to muddy the waters with their conspiracy theory security blanket. Just to save face. But here's a thought for these special sheeples. Lets suppose we wind back the clock to Jan. 1st 2020, in Sydney's Centennial Park. There is an Australian speaking loudly to all the passerby's. He is telling people about an impending Australian catastrophe.

He says, that the world and Australia will be attacked by a flu-like virus. That this virus will kill millions and infect millions more in the next 2 years. That when this virus reaches Australia, the government will

initiate lockdowns, force people to wear masks, and to keep 2 meters apart.
close down our international and national borders, and regulate all entry and exists.
force thousands of small and medium size businesses to close their doors for good.
ban large groups at weddings, parties, sporting venues, funerals, and restaurants.
end a million jobs, and destroy millions of the hopes and dreams of its people.
force Australians to carry vaccine passports, to access most venues and businesses.
create a bigoted 2 class society. Where the vaxxed discriminate against the unvaxxed. indirectly force Australians to carry tracking apps, for their movements to be monitored.
indirectly force Australians to be vaccinated, or not to be hired, or must be fired.
indirectly force Australians to take multiple vaccinations of an experimental drug.
suspend Australian's basic and civil liberties, and keep restrictions in place indefinitely.
crush any dissentions with dobbers, fines and arrests.
deputize quasi-police to enforce all/any restrictions
build detention centers to house the infected, suspected infected, or the quarantined.

Would this sound like a CONSPIRACY THEORY? Would you believe that any of this was going to happen? What is ironic and insane, is that if anyone says that this reality is true now, they would be labeled as being a CONSPIRACY THEORISTS. But hey, who cares? Hospital staff are not being overworked, and more unvaccinated victims dying than vaccinated victims, right?? Fuck priorities or people!

Absolute madness! The people who are the least effected, are just laughing at the people who are the most effected.
Whether or not I agree or disagree with you in part or in full (nah, definitely not in full) I find this one question particularly profound 👉
Would this sound like a CONSPIRACY THEORY?
And the answer? What would we reply? I wonder.
 
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