Why should people be forced to get vaccinated in order to protect others who choose not to get vaccinated??

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Shellandshilo1956

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I thought that you were talking about how infected
Covid-19 UNvaccinated people will be treated.
I can't control what you see, and what you just want to see. It makes it difficult for me to respond to questions, that I have never asked. Or points that I have never made. I really do take the time to make my points very simple to avoid ambiguity.

My point was, that if we treat unvaccinated Covid-19 infected Australians as social pariahs, then how will we treat vaccinated Covid-19 infected Australians? Will we just keep given them more experimental vaccines, until both their innate and adaptive immune systems become completely impaired/ineffective? Or, wait until people start dropping dead from sepsis from a rusty nail, before we begin to stop this insanity??

Even scientists will have to wait until 2096 to receive all of the information on any of these mRNA-based vaccines. Even with the FOI(freedom of information). Obviously, in that time all the damage will indeed have been done. They have certainly done their homework. And have completely insulated themselves from discovery. For the next 65 years at least. Good sheeples!
 

stunspore

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Once you catch the virus, taking a vaccine is pointless. There's quite a few stories/articles of people dying from covid in hospitals asking if they can take the vaccine. and the doctors say, nope, sorry too late.

So, no, infected and already vaccinated people won't be taking another vaccine. Antivaxer making things up.
 

Crackey

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There's hardly any sign of COVID here in town. Maybe one in a hundred wear a face mask and we don't shake hands any longer. But that's it. I got both Astra-Zeneca punctures back in June and I've heard talk of some new one being recommended but I haven't received any notice yet. Everything is calm here.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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And now the general topic of conversation is when will the next jab be? And, when can I stand in line to get it? I don't remember polio, tetanus, and measle vaccines, ever being the national topic of conversation. And we certainly never needed two vaccinations within a few months. What is wrong with you people? I can understand being duped into taking the first shot. But the second, the third, the fourth, your children?? My God, this cow would have more sense!!

 

HBS Guy

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The minority of unvaxxed make up the great majority of seriously ill and dead.

Get the jab.
 

stunspore

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Again i would ask what shellands requires to change mind about vaccination? Unless it's purely ideological and not up rational debate? Are the existing statistics from real medical research/data not credible? Or the 90%+ experts in the appropriate field of research not credible?
 

stunspore

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But yes, ultimately if you never catch the virus, then vaccination seems pointless. Just like buying insurance and ended up never using it.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Again i would ask what shellands requires to change mind about vaccination? Unless it's purely ideological and not up rational debate? Are the existing statistics from real medical research/data not credible? Or the 90%+ experts in the appropriate field of research not credible?
Firstly, its "Shellandshilo1956". Secondly, I have already answered your question. Why are you asking me again?

Is there an assumption here, that experts and stats are always credible? I'm afraid that you will need to be more specific. There is nothing ideological about being forced to stick a lab created, disease producing, genetic inducing vaccine into your arm. A vaccine that will force health muscle cells to genetically produce viral spikes on their surface. A vaccine that will produce antigen-specific, low-spectrum, and high affinity antibodies, that our immune system doesn't need anyway. Are any of these points/facts ideological?

You like the rest keep spouting out about what these so-called experts say, or what these stats say. But you always leave out,

what specifically the experts do say or what the stats really represent?
who these experts are, or what is the origin of the stats?
what is it that these experts and stats DON'T actually say?
where is it that science disagrees with the experts and the stats?

Basically, you only see what you want to see.

For example, experts say the wearing of masks will reduce the spread of Covid-19. But science says that the SARS-CoV-2 virus is 3 time smaller than the smallest pore size in any masks. That this virus is smaller than the wavelength of visible light. That this virus can also enter through the eyes. That since no mask will fit perfectly, they are ineffective.

Also reducing the spread can also be done by taking antihistamines, decongestants, aspirin, or just putting hand over your mouth and nose.

So claiming that masks can reduce the spread, is ambiguous at best. Yet sheeples swear by it. But that is their right. So why force me to wear a mask?

But yes, ultimately if you never catch the virus, then vaccination seems pointless. Just like buying insurance and ended up never using it.
In some ways even better. People have a 99% chance of NOT catching this virus. I wonder just how many people here even know anyone who has died with Covid-19? And, even if you are infected, over 80% of unvaccinated victims claim minimal to mild symptoms. And, over 98% make full recoveries anyway. Even the friggin measles has a higher mortality rate than Covid-19. So WHY all the fear-mongering and hype? Why are we destroying our country, and the lives of our own people? Just to force people to be vaccinated, and stand out on the world stage?? The world is pitying us, and praying for us, NOT respecting us!
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Nobody has been forced to be vaccinated.
You're delusional! Do you think that nurses, teachers, police officers, or even pilots, given a choice between jab or job, think that they were not being forced? There will always be people like you, who will keep trying the rationalize the truth, by using semantics.

Or, do you really think that these people would simply demand having a jab, even if their job was not at stake? So keep clinging to this lie, in the general and in the most obvious sense of the word!!
 

chris155au

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There's hardly any sign of COVID here in town. Maybe one in a hundred wear a face mask and we don't shake hands any longer. But that's it. I got both Astra-Zeneca punctures back in June and I've heard talk of some new one being recommended but I haven't received any notice yet. Everything is calm here.
Wherever in this world you are, Omicron WILL reach it! So get used to it.
 

HBS Guy

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Nobody is forced at gunpoint to be vaccinated. Yet over 90% of the 16+ population is.
 

stunspore

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Firstly, its "Shellandshilo1956". Secondly, I have already answered your question. Why are you asking me again?
Because i didn't see the follow up response.

Is there an assumption here, that experts and stats are always credible? I'm afraid that you will need to be more specific. There is nothing ideological about being forced to stick a lab created, disease producing, genetic inducing vaccine into your arm. A vaccine that will force health muscle cells to genetically produce viral spikes on their surface. A vaccine that will produce antigen-specific, low-spectrum, and high affinity antibodies, that our immune system doesn't need anyway. Are any of these points/facts ideological?
So sounds pretty ideological - because it's in the order of "5G causes cancer" or the vaccines contain a microchip.

You like the rest keep spouting out about what these so-called experts say, or what these stats say. But you always leave out,

what specifically the experts do say or what the stats really represent?
who these experts are, or what is the origin of the stats?
what is it that these experts and stats DON'T actually say?
where is it that science disagrees with the experts and the stats?

Basically, you only see what you want to see.
So...bascially just curious what expert or scientist or research body do you need to hear from that would persuade you. Not me offering to show you these entities -because you may just state that you don't trust them. I'm specifically wanting to know so that if we stumble upon something you trust, you would, you know, trust instead of cherry picking.

For example, experts say the wearing of masks will reduce the spread of Covid-19. But science says that the SARS-CoV-2 virus is 3 time smaller than the smallest pore size in any masks. That this virus is smaller than the wavelength of visible light. That this virus can also enter through the eyes. That since no mask will fit perfectly, they are ineffective.

Also reducing the spread can also be done by taking antihistamines, decongestants, aspirin, or just putting hand over your mouth and nose.

So claiming that masks can reduce the spread, is ambiguous at best. Yet sheeples swear by it. But that is their right. So why force me to wear a mask?
Sick people don't spew raw virus particles. They spew out droplets of water/spit/sneeze stuff that has those particles. Those droplets are blocked by masks...Pretty sad you didn't realise that or even read up on that. That's probably again, more related to ideological/political rather than any science. Might as well question why every surgery has the medical staff wear masks given that those virus particles are so small etc as well.
 

Crackey

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These are very difficult times when conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory have been proven to be true. I do what I must do in relation to my own personal situation but I have full sympathy for those who balk at committing themselves to questionable recommendations.
 
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