Why should people be forced to get vaccinated in order to protect others who choose not to get vaccinated??

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Shellandshilo1956

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Do you know yet?
I do know!

And your search for finding any mistakes that I might make have succeeded. When I said that Morrison was ending the vaccine mandates in Australia, it was under the context that he is the Prime Minister of Australia. I should have realized that it could also mean that he could singlehandedly end ALL vaccine mandated(although I'm sure he would want to). Including ALL state imposed vaccine mandates. To be clear, are federal employees still being given the choice between jab or job? Of course this also renders the idea of trusting Morrison mute, right? Oops, I forgot to say, "on the issue of vaccine mandates.". I will be more careful in the future.

So now that you are aware that I am fallible, maybe you would now like to set your intellectual goals slightly higher than observing only the semantics in an argument. Maybe you might want to start addressing many of my questions and other poignant concerns? I curious to hear YOUR informed opinions.
 

chris155au

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When I said that Morrison was ending the vaccine mandates in Australia, it was under the context that he is the Prime Minister of Australia. I should have realized that it could also mean that he could singlehandedly end ALL vaccine mandated(although I'm sure he would want to). Including ALL state imposed vaccine mandates.
Wow. Are you sure that the PM has that kind of power over the States? I'm not!

To be clear, are federal employees still being given the choice between jab or job?
I struggle to keep up with my own State's policies, let alone keeping up with whatever the hell those fuckers are doing in Canberra! Do you know the answer to this question?

Of course this also renders the idea of trusting Morrison mute, right?
"Morrison mute?"

So now that you are aware that I am fallible, maybe you would now like to set your intellectual goals slightly higher than observing only the semantics in an argument.
I wasn't "observing only the semantics", I genuinely thought that you had it in your head the Morrison was ending the mandates!
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Wow. Are you sure that the PM has that kind of power over the States? I'm not!
Then why did you think i meant the PM meant ending all vaccine mandates? Another goal post just moved!!
"Morrison mute?"
I said, "..renders the idea of trusting Morrison mute. Another misrepresentation!!

I wasn't "observing only the semantics", I genuinely thought that you had it in your head the Morrison was ending the mandates!
I really don't care anymore what's in your head anymore. But, being intellectually honest, is definitely not there.
 

chris155au

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Then why did you think i meant the PM meant ending all vaccine mandates? Another goal post just moved!!
Yeah, I'm not convinced that the PM has that sort of power. Do you have some legal/Constitutional basis to your claim?

To be clear, are federal employees still being given the choice between jab or job?
Do you know the answer to this question?

Of course this also renders the idea of trusting Morrison mute, right?
That's correct. Any federal vaccine mandates would place Morrison in the same basket as any Premier who has issued mandates. It would also make Morrison a raging hypocrite, as he condemns the mandates.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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That's correct. Any federal vaccine mandates would place Morrison in the same basket as any Premier who has issued mandates. It would also make Morrison a raging hypocrite, as he condemns the mandates.
We certainly agree here.

Do you know the answer to this question?
Yes!


Yeah, I'm not convinced that the PM has that sort of power. Do you have some legal/Constitutional basis to your claim?
I have no idea what you are answering. I asked you why your thought, that I meant that the PM was ending ALL vaccine mandates. What are you saying "yeah,.." to?

The important thing here is, that less that 1% of the entire population of Australia is even infected with this virus. This is a very important point, yet no one seems to care about this fact. People don't care about the mortality rate of this disease, or that 98% of people will recover, vaccinated or not. People just don't care anymore about the stats, data, science, or even the reality of this disease. They are just waiting for the daily fear installment of, how many new infected, the Delta and Omicron variants, and the suffering of their own people. They just don't want their soapy to end. This is just "mob mentality"!! Where the highest intelligence of the mob, is limited to the intelligence of its dumbest member.

These people are just so invested in all the hype and theatrics, that to admit the truth now, would only lead to a painful dissonance. It's just too late for those clinging to the believe, that our government is the only thing saving them from certain death from this deadly virus. You don't feel special, if you are just like the other 98% of Australians who are not infected.

It reminds me of the "War of the World" broadcast. Some were so caught up in the manufactured fantasy, that they committed suicide. It is ironic, that in the eyes of the world, all Australians are like "Crocodile Dundee". Brave, fearless, strong, but not so bright. Now, we are showing the world, that we are really just frightened little pussies, afraid of a microorganism smaller than the wavelength of visible light. Sad, and embarrassing!!
 

chris155au

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To be clear, are federal employees still being given the choice between jab or job?
Do you know the answer to this question?
Did you mention something about mandatory vaccination for international aviation staff? I guess this could be a mandate in certain States, but it sounded a bit 'federal' to me as are most things with international aviation/borders.

When I said that Morrison was ending the vaccine mandates in Australia, it was under the context that he is the Prime Minister of Australia. I should have realized that it could also mean that he could singlehandedly end ALL vaccine mandated(although I'm sure he would want to). Including ALL state imposed vaccine mandates.
How could the PM singlehandedly end ALL vaccine mandates?

To be clear, are federal employees still being given the choice between jab or job? Of course this also renders the idea of trusting Morrison mute, right?
How so?
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Did you mention something about mandatory vaccination for international aviation staff? I guess this could be a mandate in certain States, but it sounded a bit 'federal' to me as are most things with international aviation/borders.



How could the PM singlehandedly end ALL vaccine mandates?



How so?

Sorry I can't answer any of these questions. Because they make assumptions that were never stated. So, maybe you could rephrase them to be more honest?
 

Shellandshilo1956

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What the hell are you talking about? My last question was just "how so!"
Chris, here is another thought problem for you. Let's ignore that this mad woman, who is holding our freedoms and liberties to ransom in Queensland is correct. And, that it is only for the greater good, that everyone must comply with whatever directives she imposes. Lets ignore the lie that if 80% of Queenslanders are vaccinated, that she would allow things to return to normal. Let's ignore that this is no longer about the number of new cases of Covid-19(no new cases in Queensland for 2 days). So as I warned, this is only about power, not about our health. The excuse now is that the borders will be reopened.

But here's the problem. Let's say that even if every Australian was vaccinated with a hundred genetic inducing vaccines(including boosters every year), to protect them from every possible variants(and every new virus), what would be the gain?

We know for a fact that vaccines do not stop a virus from infecting anyone. Vaccines do not stop anyone from dying from a virus. Vaccines do not stop anyone with a virus from spreading it. The only thing that is going to change, IS THAT NOW ONLY VACCINATED PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE VIRUS, SPEAD THE VIRUS, OR DIE FROM THE VIRUS!! What am I not seeing here??? Does anyone think that any vaccine can STOP a disease??

 

chris155au

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Chris, here is another thought problem for you. Let's ignore that this mad woman, who is holding our freedoms and liberties to ransom in Queensland is correct. And, that it is only for the greater good, that everyone must comply with whatever directives she imposes. Lets ignore the lie that if 80% of Queenslanders are vaccinated, that she would allow things to return to normal. Let's ignore that this is no longer about the number of new cases of Covid-19(no new cases in Queensland for 2 days). So as I warned, this is only about power, not about our health. The excuse now is that the borders will be reopened.

But here's the problem. Let's say that even if every Australian was vaccinated with a hundred genetic inducing vaccines(including boosters every year), to protect them from every possible variants(and every new virus), what would be the gain?

We know for a fact that vaccines do not stop a virus from infecting anyone. Vaccines do not stop anyone from dying from a virus. Vaccines do not stop anyone with a virus from spreading it. The only thing that is going to change, IS THAT NOW ONLY VACCINATED PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE VIRUS, SPEAD THE VIRUS, OR DIE FROM THE VIRUS!! What am I not seeing here??? Does anyone think that any vaccine can STOP a disease??

I agree with everything that you said, but I don't know
what it has to do with Morrison. You said:
To be clear, are federal employees still being given the choice between jab or job? Of course this also renders the idea of trusting Morrison mute, right?
And so I'm asking: How so?
 

chris155au

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When I said that Morrison was ending the vaccine mandates in Australia, it was under the context that he is the Prime Minister of Australia. I should have realized that it could also mean that he could singlehandedly end ALL vaccine mandated(although I'm sure he would want to). Including ALL state imposed vaccine mandates.
How could the PM singlehandedly end ALL vaccine mandates?
 

Shellandshilo1956

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How could the PM singlehandedly end ALL vaccine mandates?
You understand exactly what I mean. You know that no non-dictator could single-handedly end all vaccine mandates. If not, please go ask a friend. And, stop playing games by ignoring context!

And so I'm asking: How so?
This was asked and answered. When I said that if Morrison DID ask federal workers to either be jabbed or be fired, then we would know that he has violated our trust. And, that his comments were false. It isn't rocket science!

I agree with everything that you said, but I don't know
what it has to do with Morrison. You said:
It has nothing to do with Morrison. It has everything to do with the State Premier's madness in controlling the public. Can you see how irrational their actions are? How far will they go after everyone is vaccinated? Will unvaccinated people now become social pariahs, like the runaway slaves in the US? How will infected Covid-19 vaccinated people be treated? Will there be more lockdowns, stricter restrictions, and harsher penalties in the future? Does anyone think that these idiots, will simply stop giving out vaccines and boosters, remove ALL restrictions and locator information, cancel all identity cards, and just allow things to go back to normal?? Power is always TAKEN AWAY. It is never GIVEN AWAY!! When will enough be enough for the sheeples? When will Australia NOT become an unvaccinated/vaccinated Australia??
 

chris155au

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You understand exactly what I mean. You know that no non-dictator could single-handedly end all vaccine mandates. If not, please go ask a friend. And, stop playing games by ignoring context!
I actually thought that you were saying that
the Prime Minister COULD end the vaccine mandates.

Will unvaccinated people now become social pariahs, like the runaway slaves in the US?
Unfortunately, I think so. They are and will likely continue to be the only minority group which it is widely socially acceptable to discriminate against and ban from polite society, even without government mandates. Of course, I expect that the argument from the other side will be that it's nothing like discriminating on the basis of race, because people cannot control what race they are - it's just part of who they are. My response? Okay, but people CAN control what religion they are, so should we discriminate on the basis of religion? Some radical leftists would say yes, but only against white, privileged Christians.

How will infected Covid-19 vaccinated people be treated?
Probably as people who could only possibly have been infected by an evil unvaccinated person. How would you answer this?

Will there be more lockdowns, stricter restrictions, and harsher penalties in the future?
With a future vaccine evading variant? I'm quite certain of it.

Does anyone think that these idiots, will simply stop giving out vaccines and boosters, remove ALL restrictions and locator information, cancel all identity cards, and just allow things to go back to normal??
Giving out vaccines and boosters? That will likely continue for the rest of time. A return to an otherwise 'normal?' I'm hopeful of that. You may call that wishful thinking. Although I'm in NSW, where we're doing pretty well on a return to normality. Even QR check-in has been largely scrapped. And now unvaccinated people can do what they want.

Power is always TAKEN AWAY. It is never GIVEN AWAY!!
Definitely.

When will enough be enough for the sheeples?
When will Australia NOT become an unvaccinated/vaccinated Australia??
Probably never, but not necessarily because of government mandates.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Giving out vaccines and boosters? That will likely continue for the rest of time. A return to an otherwise 'normal?' I'm hopeful of that. You may call that wishful thinking. Although I'm in NSW, where we're doing pretty well on a return to normality. Even QR check-in has been largely scrapped. And now unvaccinated people can do what they want.
That is so good to hear. I don't get it. If someone tells me that I must do something or else, then they will have a fight on their hands. This is a normal instinctive reaction. Why don't other Australians have this same reaction? Why don't the rest of the world also have this reaction? Not counting the millions who ARE protesting worldwide.

The SARS-Cov2 virus has HIV/AIDS in it?
Correct! Also included in the mix, are thrombogenic-producing retro viral DNA recombinant sequences, being carried on a monkey cold virus as a vector. These sequences WILL definitely alter your DNA, and will cause more adverse events. But the worst of it is, that you can't even sue any of the pharmaceutical companies, that make these genetic bio-weapons. And, if you could, it is the country that must defend these companies and pay all their legal costs. They are untouchable for compensation. And, yet still no red flags by the sheeples. This is all going to come out!!

Probably never, but not necessarily because of government mandates.
Agree.

Probably as people who could only possibly have been infected by an evil unvaccinated person. How would you answer this?
They would simple find another spin to assuage the fears of the gullible. They will definitely blame all the unvaccinated people(like the Germans did) to avoid the truth. They will also claim that these infected people should have taken MORE vaccines, and more boosters. But in the end they will simply say that it is not the vaccine's fault. That it is just your immune system that is fucked! As millions continue to die directly from these adverse events. By that time, truth, reason and excuses won't matter anymore.

Unfortunately WE are the ones who are allowing this to happen. Because we are just too smart, or too stubborn for our own good!
 

Shellandshilo1956

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What research found HIV/AIDS in the virus?
Remember, this is NOT about vaccinations. This is about the freedom of choice!!

"The UQ team found that a small 80-amino-acid fragment of an HIV protein provided this stability.".


What do you think?
I've already answered this question.
 
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