Why should people be forced to get vaccinated in order to protect others who choose not to get vaccinated??

[Shellandshilo1956]

ten million people and 15 000 deaths. And in winter it gets so cold most people don't leave the house except for necessities. I'm afraid Sweden's not going to help you.

I don't need any help from Sweden's stats. I use common sense and the scientific method inquiry. So, as I've stated before, you will never see past the 10M population, and the 15,000 deaths(0.1% of the population). Therefore, you will always conclude, that with a 25M population and only 1,448 deaths, that this proves conclusively, that the impossible distancing, and the useless masking are working just fine. Nothing else matters! You are the perfect government stooge.

Why Qld isn't very seasonal. We have hot, hot and warm. And I'm in the south of the state ... go further north and it's just HOT

rubbish.

But how would people manage to provide for themselves or their families? Do you think the Swedish people don't have cars, heaters, air conditioning, or the technical knowledge to control their personal environment? Do you think that their basic infrastructure and utilities just manages themselves over the winter climates? That no industries are operating or businesses are open? Maybe you believe that the Swedish people still live in Lavvu Tents, and can't venture out during the colder climates? That they all just self-isolate whenever the temperature drops?

If what you've said were even half-true, then why are we forcing people indoors in Queensland? We should be encouraging them all to stay out in the sun, since heat effects the virus.

You have no idea what the day to day routines of most people in Sweden are, including during the winter climates! It is just irresponsible and ignorant, to infer that these people will just semi-hibernate during the colder climates. And, only come out for necessities. This also incorrectly implies that staying indoors during the winter climates, would reduce the number of deaths and infections caused by Covid-19. As usual, no evidence and no context. Another weak and silly assumption.

And like all my other questions, I notice you dodged the density question(25 vs 3). Or, the fact that 87% of the population of Sweden live in urban cities(34% in Stockholm). Never mind, I get it. Fuck the people's lives, dreams, and freedoms. Just keep restricting and punishing them, until this deadly viral apocalypse just goes away. Just insanity. This was the perfect opportunity for the government to see just how dumb most people really are. They must be all laughing, even in their sleep!

Eventually, all these lies will begin to unravel. Clearly the government is flogging that every living breathing human should become vaccinated, AT ALL COSTS. Even for the recovered, the children, and the pets next. First, 4 initial vaccines(Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, and AstraZeneca), and then a string of booster shots indefinitely.

We are now seeing an increase in the numbers of myocardial and paracardial diseases among the 20 year old(very rare). And guess what? Most of these cases are from those vaccinated!! Australia is now pushing to vaccinate even the 5 year old. This is banned in the US. Oh, and we have arrived at a decision, doctors are free to treat unvaccinated people who catch Covid-19. Soon the hospitals will be treating many more vaccinated comorbidity patients, than unvaccinated patients.

what was it you said about ASSUMPTIONS

My name is NOT Johnsmith. I don't just make silly assumptions. Let alone make arguments based entirely on silly unprovable assumptions. Oh, sorry, maybe you really do believe that we can keep 26M people 2 meters apart, INDEFINITELY? Or, that if we are all vaccinated, that the virus will just go away? So exactly what was it I said about making assumptions? Never mind, just more huff and puff from a sad little troll. Thank God, more and more thinking Australians are beginning to wake up. And not be so frighten of the 13 still active cases in Queensland. It also seems like we have forgotten about all the other much more serious illnesses. All that seem to matter is Covid-19!

So again, do you think that putting 21M Australians in an area the size of 2.5 Tasmania, would have any effect on the death or infection rates of Covid-19? Anyway, the answer is of course, that it would increase the numbers of both stats. Having only 3 people/km2 vs 145/km2(Florida) would have a major impact on these stats. And, you know it! Oh, and India's population concentration is 424 people/km2. What would we expect to see regarding their numbers of infections and mortalities? Is this what we see? YES!

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

I was going to respond to everything in your post, until I got to that last paragraph.

Saved by the WWE!

 

[johnsmith]

I don't need any help from Sweden's stats.

you certainly need something, all your posts point to that fact.

But how would people manage to provide for themselves or their families?

what part of 'except for necessities' do you struggle with? If you narrow down exactly what you're struggling with I'll see if I can help you to understand it better.

If what you've said were even half-true, then why are we forcing people indoors in Queensland?

making crap up now? I've been here throughout all the lock downs since covid started and never once was I directed to remain indoors. Can you show me the instructions from the chief health officer directing us to do so?

You have no idea what the day to day routines of most people in Sweden are, including during the winter climates!

Actually, I think I have a better idea than you. Unlike you I don't just make it up. I have family in Scandinavia. Whilst not in Sweden, They shop in Sweden. The lifestyles don't change just because there is a border between them. I know exactly how they and their friends spend their time whereas you just keep pretending to know.

They must be all laughing, even in their sleep!

only when they read your posts

I don't just make silly assumptions.

Have you read your post?

My name is NOT Johnsmith.

Obviously. He makes much more sense than you.

Oh, sorry, maybe you really do believe that we can keep 26M people 2 meters apart, INDEFINITELY?

again, making crap up. Who said anything about keeping it up 'indefinitely'? Tell me about your lack of assumptions again, I need another laugh.

Or, that if we are all vaccinated, that the virus will just go away?

whilst you're looking for evidence of someone claiming 'we keep it up indefinitely', can you also look for evidence of anyone claiming 'once we're vacinated the virus will go away' ... I'll await your evidence of either of them.

So exactly what was it I said about making assumptions?

you think calling your assumptions 'common sense' makes them any less an assumption?

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

you certainly need something, all your posts point to that fact.


what part of 'except for necessities' do you struggle with? If you narrow down exactly what you're struggling with I'll see if I can help you to understand it better.


making crap up now? I've been here throughout all the lock downs since covid started and never once was I directed to remain indoors. Can you show me the instructions from the chief health officer directing us to do so?


Actually, I think I have a better idea than you. Unlike you I don't just make it up. I have family in Scandinavia. Whilst not in Sweden, They shop in Sweden. The lifestyles don't change just because there is a border between them. I know exactly how they and their friends spend their time whereas you just keep pretending to know.




only when they read your posts


Have you read your post?


Obviously. He makes much more sense than you.


again, making crap up. Who said anything about keeping it up 'indefinitely'? Tell me about your lack of assumptions again, I need another laugh.


whilst you're looking for evidence of someone claiming 'we keep it up indefinitely', can you also look for evidence of anyone claiming 'once we're vacinated the virus will go away' ... I'll await your evidence of either of them.


you think calling your assumptions 'common sense' makes them any less an assumption?

My questions are not assumptions, they're questions dumb dumb. So, stop all this avoidance, denial, and pretense. Stop answering my questions with questions. JUST ANSWER THEM directly! What are you afraid of? Would you like for me to repeat them all for you?

I don't care if you have relatives in Norway, Denmark, or Scandinavia. They don't live in Sweden! I don't care if your relative is even the Prime Minister of Sweden. Unless you or your relatives are gods, you STILL have no idea about the daily lives of the people in Sweden. I guess when you use the word "necessities", you actually mean "for any reason you want". Have you ever lived a year in Sweden?

What is the weather like in Sweden all year round? – SidmartinBio

www.sidmartinbio.org

Since you are not answering any of my direct questions, I can't really tell just how dumb you really are. I do know that you are arrogant, self-centered, insulting, and have very little depth of knowledge. IMHO But of course I could be wrong. But this is my take.

Here's an example of what this madness has now provoked. Now some businesses are not letting "Vaccinated" people into their businesses. If you don't have to justify discriminating against unvaccinated people, then there is no reason to justify discriminating against vaccinated people. Right? Did you know that there are bad batches of these vaccines that are killing people?

It doesn't matter what evidence, facts, or stats I deposit. You'll just dismiss them with more silly flippant remarks. So here are more facts for you to dismiss and deny.

Stew Peters With Dr Jane Ruby - Vaers Reveals Death By Lot Number Specific States Get Certain Vials (odysee.com)

You can demean, insult, or ridicule me all you like. This is only the nature of your character and your fragile ego. Since you keep avoiding my questions, this makes everything out of your mouth just a cop-out. But eventually you will run out of these silly excuses to support your master's incompetence.

So, if you're NOT going to answer any of my questions, go troll elsewhere. I promise that I won't be offended! And, YES, I do read my own posts. Was there something specific that makes you think that I don't? Never mind, just another huff and puff distraction/deflection. Games!

 

[johnsmith]

My questions are not assumptions, they're questions dumb dumb.

yeah, just like you're not a raving lunatic

I don't care if you have relatives in Norway, Denmark, or Scandinavia

of course you don't. To do so would mean you have to admit to yourself that you haven't a clue what you're on about. There is no way you'll do that .

Unless you or your relatives are gods, you STILL have no idea about the daily lives of the people in Sweden

I have a better idea than you

I can't really tell just how dumb you really are.

you should be more concerned with figuring out how dumb you are.

It doesn't matter what evidence, facts, or stats I deposit.

you calling your gibberish 'facts' does not make them any more facts than your ignoring stats makes them any less relevant.

You can demean, insult, or ridicule me all you like.

I know, contrary to what you may believe, I never needed your permission to do so .... and I will continue to do so whilst you continue to post the sort of crap you post'

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

If you never see another video in your life, this is the video that you must see.

We were told that jail is the best place to be to be secure from this virus, so we willingly gave away our freedoms. Now, if we want our freedoms back, we must comply with all the vaccination mandates and protocols already in place.

His sky-diving analogy is brilliant.

"Skydiving is an individual risk, and individual benefit, that does not influence anyone around me. Therefore my right to choose skydiving is vitally important. Now they want me to skydive, because they say that it will benefit humanity. Now they can't prove the science, or tell me how this act of mine will benefit humanity. Yet they insist that I do it. When I didn't because I didn't see the science, they offered me a beer and a donut, but I still don't want to skydive. Because they haven't proven the science, or tell me how my actions will benefit humanity. Now it looks like they just want to just push me out of the plane.

But when I look up the parachute they provide me with is full of holes, but they don't want to admit to that. I also see a few dead bodies on the ground, and they tell me that they are only fast asleep. But I don't believe that. Now if they can prove a population benefit to this vaccine, then maybe I will take the plunge for the benefit of humanity. But until that point, we are being coerced.".

I know, just another conspiracy theory. So please debunk it! I hope/pray that he is wrong. Maybe you can point out his errors, or provide the science supporting these vaccine mandate protocols? Please!!

This doctor has treated thousands of Covid-19 patients. His treatment has resulted in no patients dying, being hospitalized, or even requiring oxygen. If you have some extra time on your hand, then this video may also be enlightening.

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I don't expect you to understand the significance of Serum ACE2(in the blood) and ACE1(on the cells) receptors. Or, why antibodies can't distinguish between the two. Just understand that this is what leads to the autoimmune responses that we are seeing today.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

Why are we not using Ivermectin as an anti-viral treatment? It is much safer, a better anti-viral treatment than any mRNA vaccine treatment, and it only cost $0.60c a pop(not the $2-300 a pop).

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

 

[johnsmith]

 

[HBS Guy]

Why don’t you just get vaccinated and this thread can be put to rest?

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

Why don’t you just get vaccinated and this thread can be put to rest?

Sorry, my freedoms are not to be ransomed. And certainly not for the friggin flu?? Why don't you give me just one verifiable, rational, scientific reason why I should be forced to be vaccinated? Or, be fired because I haven't?? Other than, "Well everybody else is getting vaccinated, and so should you!". If you can't see how silly that sounds, or how dangerous that is, then you should indeed do as you're told. How does my being vaccinated directly benefit humanity? Even if I were vaccinated, I could still become infected, and could still spread this virus. And, the only therapeutic value of a vaccine, is to lessen the severity of the illness. So, I am all ears.

I'm not wearing masks, getting vaccinated, or keeping apart just to be defiant. I'm not doing these things, because they are stupid, illogical, impossible, unnecessary, and dangerous. I also believe that my immune system doesn't need any help.

Fortunately, enough of us have brought sanity back to 99.9% of the Queensland population. We are now free from covering our faces with silly useless masks, and from distancing ourselves from our fellow Australians. Yeah! I would have never believed that we Australians could ever be this gullible. Let alone try and defend these extreme, and overreaching protocols. It's been 2 years, the virus is not only infecting people, but is mutating as well. Duh! It ain't working!! How many years will it take, before you begin to realize that these restrictions only hurt people, NOT THE VIRUS??

Queensland passes vaccination threshold for easing of mask rules

Queensland meets the state government's threshold for the easing of mask rules, with 80.1 per cent of the state's population over 16 now at least partially vaccinated.

www.abc.net.au

If you want to infect yourself with a lab created genetic chemical, that is devoid of any actual viruses, then I will never force, threaten, discriminate, or shame you into changing your mind. If you want to keep apart from other Australians, or cover your face with a useless mask, then again, I would never shame or disrespect you into stopping. These are your rights. So please respect my rights as well.

 

[greggerypeccary]

Why don’t you just get vaccinated and this thread can be put to rest?

He's too scared, and grossly misinformed.

 

[HBS Guy]

Yes, that is obvious. Millions of people vaccinated, a couple of hundred deaths clearly linked to a vaccine reaction. There are a lot more deaths from COVID of the unvaccinated so the clear conclusion is to be vaccinated.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

He's too scared, and grossly misinformed.

Actually I agree with you. Anyone willing to stick a genetic-modifying chemical into their body, that will cause a healthy muscle cell to start producing viral spikes, to induce an auto-immune response by the immune system, is either very brave or very stupid. With an almost 100% survival rate(vaccinated or not) for those NOT in any of the high-risk groups, bravery is just you projecting again. Would you call those in the targeted industries, whose workers are forced to be vaccinated to keep their jobs, ALSO BRAVE?? How about the children whose parents will be forcing them to be jabbed with this poison? Are they also brave like you??? You are not brave, you are just obedient and compliant. There is a very clear difference.

I seriously doubt that I am misinformed. Let alone, "grossly" misinformed. So, could you be a little more specific about what I am grossly misinformed about? Am I misinformed about how the immune system works, the types of vaccines being used, our rights to choose, the destruction of our economy and jobs, government overreach, alternative theories, etc.? Never mind! You don't have a clue. Just keep attacking the person like a good government toady.

Yes, that is obvious. Millions of people vaccinated, a couple of hundred deaths clearly linked to a vaccine reaction. There are a lot more deaths from COVID of the unvaccinated so the clear conclusion is to be vaccinated.

What is obvious is your silly argument from popularity. Remember when people thought that Gods existed, that the world was flat, and that the universe revolved around the Earth? Their truth was also based on the popular consensus of belief of the time. BUT IT WAS STILL WRONG!! So if your truth is defined by, "Well everybody else is doing it,...", then go for it! I prefer to stick to the science. Nothing that man can make in a few months, is ever going to be better than what has taken nature billions of years to make.

It is not about the number of deaths linked to these vaccines. IT'S ABOUT HOW AND WHY THESE DEATHS ARE LINKED TO THESE VACCINES! Will these numbers increase or decrease over time, or increase with each higher dose? What is the link between Pfizer's mRNA vaccines, and early onset myocarditis and pericarditis in the population? Or, the scientifically verified link between cerebral and abdominal clotting disorders(TTS) and the Moderna vaccine? Or, does this even matter to you??

Whether a person is vaccinated is no more relevant than if they have a mustache, or what their gender is. The only thing that matters is the condition of their immune system. That's it!! Since you are just fear-mongering to scare people into being vaccinated with this potential poison, exactly how many people have died WITH the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and how many people have died FROM the SARS-CoV-2 virus? Also, how many unvaccinated people have recovered? And, how many vaccinated people have died? Just to be intellectually honest! You really don't have a clue do you? It's just information in, and information out for you. And, no processing in-between is allowed.

Thank God I'm in Queensland, where this shit is finally over? Maybe these leaders do care more about being re-elected than about continuing this manufactured crisis. Maybe they realize that people are going to die, but NOT directly from any virus. Maybe they now realize, that man will never stop people from catching the flu. So come to Queensland if you want to be free again. If you want to speak to Australians, who are not covering their faces or keeping away from you.

And, the only thing that is truly obvious, is that Queenslanders are NOT scared, NOT misinformed, and certainly NOT sheeples!

 

[greggerypeccary]

I seriously doubt that I am misinformed. Let alone, "grossly" misinformed.

On that matter, you're grossly misinformed.

Do you have private health insurance?

 

[greggerypeccary]

Yes, that is obvious. Millions of people vaccinated, a couple of hundred deaths clearly linked to a vaccine reaction. There are a lot more deaths from COVID of the unvaccinated so the clear conclusion is to be vaccinated.

To a reasonable, educated person - yes.

Unfortunately, that's not what we're dealing with here.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

On that matter, you're grossly misinformed.

Do you have private health insurance?

Is it even possible for you to address anything I say directly?? If you are going to insult someone, at least explain why. Again, HOW AM I MISINFORMED?? Never mind. I am just grateful that saner heads have prevailed in Queensland. So clearly I am not the only one who is misinformed.

So you do whatever your masters tell you. They will definitely save you from this killer virus! Just don't bring your madness to Queensland. We actually do give a shit about the people.

And, I do have private medical insurance. Would you like me to include you??

 

[greggerypeccary]

Is it even possible for you to address anything I say directly?? If you are going to insult someone, at least explain why. Again, HOW AM I MISINFORMED??

Everything you say about vaccinations is wrong.

 

[HBS Guy]

The vaxes do not alter your genetics. Sheesh what a ripe bit of garbage that is.