I was okay with the COVID lockdowns only because I saw the risk to the hospital system. Were you not aware of the systems becoming overwhelmed in NSW and Vic during their Delta outbreak?
More evidence that COVID is the only subject which we largely agree on!
When you said that over 95% of people are not even infected, did you mean asymptomatically infected, or symptomatically infected?
You responded to the list. Simple.
If over 95% of the entire Australian population is not infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, then they do not have the virus. This can be confirmed/verified by the number of Australians who have tested negative for the antibody in their blood. As well as by the total number of active cases. Therefore, 95% of the Australian population is neither symptomatically or asymptomatically infected. They are simply not infected at all.
Any time the media starts spewing out its panic and fear-mongering, there will be a certain percentage of people who will lap it up without question. I certainly don't believe the medias self-serving sensationalized, fear-mongering version, of why hospitals will become overwhelmed. Especially since only about 12.5% of of the people with Covid-19 were being admitted to hospitals throughout 2020. Just more misinformation to fuel their manufactured panic. Did you really think that any large public hospitals would have zero contingency plans to avoid being overwhelmed by patients? Do you know of any hospital that have been overwhelmed?
www.aihw.gov.au
Yep, your response being "they can get fucked" - "they" being the list of people which included those who are too young to get vaccinated!
Well how many antibody tests have been conducted?
The vast majority of which will be people who have developed symptoms which has made them get tested.
To confirm, in the case of NSW and Vic's Delta outbreaks, the media wasn't saying that hospitals WILL become overwhelmed, but rather that they WERE overwhelmed, at certain points during the outbreak when the case load was very high.
Yeah, but it's important to keep in mind that 2020 was pre-Delta.
In NSW, Blacktown, Westmead and Nepean hospitals. www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/paramedics-stranded-for-hours-outside-nsw-hospitals/100408718
The difference is that obesity, alcohol, drug, and nicotine abuse do not result in the same case load as COVID, and certainly not Delta. It's chalk and cheese - night and day.
There have been 42,507,060 Covid-19 test done in Australia. As of 26/10. From these tests, 138,096 people have tested positive for the Covid-19 antibody. That is 0.3% of people have tested positive. Which means 99.7% of people have tested negative.
Could be. I certainly don't know. It could also be that they were just panicked into being tested, because of all the media and political hype. It could also be that they needed to be part of a political bandwagon to feel more secure. Or, it could be a combination of all of the above.
Did the media SPECIFICALLY say that these hospitals were overwhelmed(at certain times), only because of this Delta strain? Simply saying that during high caseload periods is meaningless. 2 people could seek treatment during this period, and the hospital could claim being overwhelmed.
What are you implying here? Since ALL variants are weaker(in some aspect) than its parent, why would I expect the percentage of hospitalizations to increase?. You are just biased, and want to believe that this Delta strain will just takeover where the SARS-CoV-2 virus has left off. This is just irrational.
Again, you are only seeing what you want to see(confirmation bias). In the real world, most of the people waiting had only tested positive for the virus? Most of the more serious victims were simply sent to other hospitals? Most of the victims were triaged, given meds, and sent home? But of course in the political media fantasy version, "People, paramedics, and patients were forced to wait for hours waiting to be treated.". "Hospitals were overwhelmed to breaking point.".
I would really rethink this through again. It is not about the abuses, it is about the associated diseases that the abuses cause. These unnecessary and preventable diseases, do increase the hospital's caseloads. Or, should we just ignore all the cancers, diabetes, mental illnesses, and addiction dependencies, that these abuses continue to cause?
Isn't an antibody test different to a test which checks to see if someone is currently infected with something?
So it's possible. So then we go back to my point, which is for all we know,
Well to take an extreme example: New York City during their first outbreak last year. Do you think that was a hospital system which was genuinely overwhelmed?
No, but Delta is more transmissible, right? This has resulted in the much higher case loads that we've seen in NSW and Vic.
Sure, but I'm not sure that it results in thousands of cases per day.
If that "something" is Covid-19, then No.
I don't know. You are creating this hypothetical.
Sorry, I don't understand your logic here at all. Even if every single person on the planet was infected with "something", this doesn't mean that every person will be infected by this virus. It is not logically consistent.
Yes, but the Delta variant has other flaws that I have mentioned. And ALL cases of the disease Covid-19 will result in a higher number of cases. An argument can be made, that this variant was caused by the vaccine itself.
In Australia it is less than 200 cases per day, over 669 days(22 months) period, not thousands. I'm sure you can do the math.
Maybe anything. Literally anything.
Which evidence?so shell first asks for evidence, then when preented with said evidence ignores completely it to tell us what 'happens in the real world'
Was this in the Media?
So it is impossible to know if someone has been infected and recovered from COVID unless they tested positive during their infection?
I'll rephrase: for all we know, every single human in the world has been infected with COVID at some point, (the vast majority obviously being asymptomatic infection) and this would just go to show how few people are actually at risk to getting sick from this thing - let alone actually dying from it.
Yes, so 200 cases per day, as opposed to thousands of COVID cases per day. I'm just saying that it's not comparable.
What else would you expect from a nation of sheep? Courage? A moral conscience? When the Queensland's Premier can tell anyone who has not been vaccinated, "..that your days are numbered..", tells me just how far we have come. And, just how little control we have over the government. Maybe they will make-up new laws to get rid of all minor parties. Just incase voters decide to vote them out(like N. Korea, Russia, Viet Nam).
Do you really think that the media would release any stories that would portray the government's health policies as wicked, aversive, and cruel? Why do you think daily recoveries aren't being broadcasted? Or the number of vaccinated people who are infected? Or, anything else that would put the government's agenda in a bad light.
He disputes no facts, and offers even less. Expecting a completely closed mind to accept factual, verifiable and logical evidence, outside of the fantasy world of media soundbites, would be like expecting light to escape from a Black Hole. So, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any relevant facts to be forthcoming. Insults and deflections are his only forté.
Totally agree. They are absolutely not compatible. They are different diseases.
There are 2 test that I know of being used. One test is used to identify the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus(PCR) in the blood. It does this by detecting a portion of the virus's DNA/RNA sequence code. However, since B-cell antibodies don't develop until around 3 weeks after being infected, antibody tests is more an indication of recovery, if found in the bloodstream.
Only if we are assuming that the overwhelming majority of uninfected people are really infected, but are just asymptomatic. They are asymptomatic, because they are not infected. Not the other way around. Even after 10's of millions of tests showing less than 1% positive results, we still are worried? So, why would we suspect that every human has been, or will be infected at all. This is just irrational. What evidence supports this claim? Other than assumptions and suppositions?
Alright, so this is something that you heard from a friend or family member?
So then why did you mention obesity, alcohol, drug, and nicotine abuse?
I was just checking because I asked if an antibody test is different to a test which checks to see if someone is currently infected with something, and you said "if that 'something' is Covid-19, then No."
I'm just saying that it's possible. It IS possible isn't it?
No Chris it isn't even possible, except in the Resident Evil, and Zombie movies. But in the real world, this has never happened. Nature has taken many steps to prevent this from ever happening. But if God took away all of nature's measures, then it is possible that every single member of the human species could become infected. And, please don't ask me to explain all of nature's measures. That would be just sending me down another rabbit hole. Where I am contributing everything, and you are contributing nothing.
Correct.
This was told to me by Michael O'Neill of the Informed Medical Options Party(IMOP). And, was confirmed by a colleague/friend working at the hospital. The uncomfortable truth is always the first to be edited.
I'm think you know why I mentioned these leading causes of preventable illnesses. And, how they also contributes to the hospital's workload. So spare me the false incredulity. And, lets not just go around in circles. You're better than that.
Alright, well 30% infection is a bit more of a realistic possibility. It's certainly possible that there have been more asymptomatic infections than symptomatic. And if that was proven somehow, this would just go to show how few people are actually at risk to getting sick from this thing - let alone actually dying from it.
So which is it? Is there a dedicated antibody test or isn't there?