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Ha! When you buy pants or a shirt you look for your size right? The idea of standard sizes was started by the Union quartermaster general in the Civil War:

The Quartermaster Bureau furnished clothing manufacturers with a series of graduated standard measurements for uniforms. This introduced a concept of “sizes” that was applied to men’s civilian clothing after the war.

Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era (Oxford History of the United States Book 6) (p. 325). Oxford University Press. Kindle Edition.
 

HBS Guy

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“Quaker guns”

In the Civil War the South, without the huge industry of the North, were not as well equipped. To disguise this quaker guns—logs shaped and painted to look like cannon—were used. Beauregard used them to disguise his withdrawal from Corinth. One such quaker gun was found on the south bank of the Potomac when the unit manning this “gun” was withdrawn.

In WWII Patton “lead” a force of “quaker” tanks etc—the successful attempt to trick Hitler into believing the “real” invasion was to be at Calais.
 

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Wow, I didn’t know this:

Their first target was Roanoke Island, a swampy piece of land ten miles long, two miles wide, and rich in legend—a land where the memory of Virginia Dare and the inscrutable word “Croatan” marked the mysterious fate of England’s first North American colony. Controlling the passage between Pamlico Sound and Albemarle Sound, Roanoke Island was the key to

Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era (Oxford History of the United States Book 6) (p. 372). Oxford University Press. Kindle Edition.
I would have thought somewhere in New England?

I played a trick on my Yankee brew buddies. Driving Mum to a family wedding I posted:

“Driving through New England” and when a couple bit I said “The New England part of NSW!” New England tried to become a separate state but it failed.
 
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HBS Guy

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Interesting! From what I have read, e.g. Grant’s campaign down the Tennessee, Cumberland and Mississipi Rivers all the way to the end in 1865 at the wharves at City Point near Petersburg, Va, the steam boats (and ships in the blue water navy) were all paddle boats, yet:

No bid came from John Ericsson, the irascible genius of marine engineering who had contributed the screw propeller and several other innovations to ship design. Bitter about earlier feuds with the navy, Ericsson sulked in his. . . (he did build the Monitor and just in time too!

Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era (Oxford History of the United States Book 6) (p. 374). Oxford University Press. Kindle Edition.
 
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Women fighting in the US Civil War:

. . .of a daring ex-slave from Maryland, who people were calling Moses. Her name was Harriett Tubman. She had escaped to Philadelphia years before and started helping other slaves around there escape to Canada. She had met abolitionist John Brown in ’58, and helped him plan and recruit supporters for his infamous raid on Harper’s Ferry in Jefferson County, West

St Clair, Stanley. Turning Point at Gettysburg (p. 97). St. Clair Publications. Kindle Edition.
When the war began she had worked with the Union Army. To begin with, Frank said, she was a cook and nurse. But soon she became an armed scout and spy. She had become the first woman to lead an armed expedition in the war, guiding the raid at Combahee Ferry in South Carolina, in the process liberating 700 slaves.

St Clair, Stanley. Turning Point at Gettysburg (p. 97). St. Clair Publications. Kindle Edition.
 

HBS Guy

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Hah! We had Arthur McArthur a general on the Union side in the Civil War who fathered Douglas McArthur of WWII fame. Another connection:

Isaac W. Patton, who assumed command of the 22nd Louisiana only five days before, was severely wounded in the hip. He was one of four Virginia brothers who became colonels in the Confederate Army: John, Waller, and George S. were the other three. The original George S. Patton was the grandfather of the famous World War II general.

Mitcham, Samuel W.. Vicksburg: The Bloody Siege that Turned the Tide of the Civil War (p. 230). Regnery History. Kindle Edition.
 

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I hesitate to post BUT.. I will anyway. :)

I understand to some degree why you men are obsessed with WAR...

It is acceptable now, historically, and also previously expected.

All of our shared histories are linked by WAR.

Declared or NOT.
 

HBS Guy

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War leads to political change and technological and medical advancement. HM of the space race was kickstarted by Werner von Braun when he moved to the US? I do not read the John Wayne type stuff.

Robert E. Lee was supposed to be a military genius. Yet he ordered 15,000 men to advance over a mile of fairly open ground to climb a hill then attack union soldiers behind a stone wall? Of Pickett’s division less than half came back, the rest killed, wounded or captured/missing. Colonels and Brigadier Generals were killed and the South had no way of replacing them.
 

SethBullock

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War leads to political change and technological and medical advancement. HM of the space race was kickstarted by Werner von Braun when he moved to the US? I do not read the John Wayne type stuff.

Robert E. Lee was supposed to be a military genius. Yet he ordered 15,000 men to advance over a mile of fairly open ground to climb a hill then attack union soldiers behind a stone wall? Of Pickett’s division less than half came back, the rest killed, wounded or captured/missing. Colonels and Brigadier Generals were killed and the South had no way of replacing them.
It seems that some 50 years later, that sort of fruitless and insane strategy was still being used in WW1. Thousands and thousands of young men were sent out of the trenches on suicidal charges against entrenched machine guns. Those charges had zero chance of success and a 100% certainty of death or wounding.
 

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YES! The English army had observers with both Eastern armies, saw the result of charging entrenched positions. . .yet did the same in WWI. With machine guns you would need 10 attackers for every defender (3:1 in Civil War with muzzleloaders!).

Big mine explosions—at Vicksburg and especially at Petersburg—didn’t work yet the Brits tried it and failed in WWI. (In the Petersburg mine a negro slave working on countermining was blown 200' into the air and landed —UNHURT— in union lines.)
 

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War these days is more and more a war of “boffins.” And some of their stuff becomes commonplace, like computers. Here is Colossus:

 

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Here is a guy, lived in East Tennessee during the civil war, guided hundreds of Unionist men to the Union lines from rebel–occupied East Tennesee!

We were now on Rich Mountain, which we crossed during the day, and oh, what a hard day's travel it was! When I suffer my meditations to dwell upon that hard day's travel now, I wonder how I ever succeeded in getting over that stupendous mountain in my frail and weakly condition, for I had not yet recovered from the hemorrhage of my lungs, which had weakened me very much, and I was also weak from the excessive hunger which I had endured for some time. I often thought, as I toiled along over that rugged mountain, that this would most inevitably be the last trip that I would ever be able to make through the mountains, and I frequently despaired of ever reaching my home; for as I traveled up the side of the mountain, I could not walk a hundred yards at a time without stopping to rest,
Thrilling adventures of Daniel Ellis, the great union guide of East Tennesee, during the rebellion.

Like escaped POW stories except he would take a hundred or so men and even horses from northern East Tennessee first to Kentucky then to Knoxville then recuperate and rest then return to East Tennessee. The horses would be sold to the Union army for a profit. Daniel Ellis brought enough men to the Union lines to man a good part of the 13th Tennessee mounted infantry.

Lincoln and some others believed there was a large amount of union sentiment within the “secesh” but there wasn’t any except in East Tennesee and adjacent parts of west North Carolina and northern Georgia. Weird, the shelling of Fort Sumpter didn’t bother the people in the secesh but Lincoln asking for 90,000 90day volunteers to protect forts and arsenals was aggression, turned unionist parts of the South into red hot secessionists.
 
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SethBullock

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The Pentagon will do as it's told. What we need are clear-headed leaders who are not interested in the "regime change" war du jour and who will only use our military to defend ourselves and our closest, most longstanding allies.
 

Squire

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The Pentagon will do as it's told. What we need are clear-headed leaders who are not interested in the "regime change" war du jour and who will only use our military to defend ourselves and our closest, most longstanding allies.
Then you need to rid yourself of the Pentagon and the CIA as well as all the secret black-ops contractors.
 
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