Trump Terrorist gets three and a half years

[greggerypeccary]

US Capitol rioter 'Qanon Shaman' Jacob Chansley jailed for over three years

The so-called "Qanon Shaman" has been sentenced to almost three and a half years in prison for his role in the US Capitol riots on January 6.

Jacob Chansley became known as the Shaman for the horned headdress he wore as he stormed the Capitol building with hundreds of others, in an attempt to overturn former US president Donald Trump's election defeat.

Prosecutors had asked for a 51-month sentence, but the judge said he believed Chansley, who pleaded guilty, had done "a lot" to prove he was "on the right track" and instead gave him 41 months behind bars.

 

[Crackey]

Trump Terrorist gets three and a half years

And Julian Assange who committed no crime at all got "life" (apparently) while the fake WMD crew in Washington, who illegally invaded Iraq and are responsible for the death of a million innocent men, women and children, didn't even get their collective hand slapped.

Ain't democracy a wonderful thing?

 

[Jim Lahey]

500m to a shack on kangaroo island for example?

 

[johnsmith]

And Julian Assange who committed no crime at all

yeah right.

 

[Crackey]

yeah right.

Would you care to enlighten me on what crime(s) you think Julian Assange committed? I'd love to hear it.

 

[johnsmith]

trading in stolen property is still a crime.

 

[Crackey]

trading in stolen property is still a crime.

If you're referring to intel that's not a crime and I am not aware that he "traded" it anyway. Have you an earnest example of his "crime"? And try to keep to something relevant to his situation today.

 

[johnsmith]

If you're referring to intel that's not a crime and I am not aware that he "traded" it anyway.

he traded it no matter how much semantics you wish to play

Stuff that is marked 'top secret' is just that, top secret, and it's not for him to make public. If there was anything illegal in the information he should have bought it to the relevant authorities, not released it for public viewing. He put lives at risk and undid years of diplomacy just so he could see his name up in lights. The guys a fuckwit and deserves everything he gets

 

[Crackey]

he traded it no matter how much semantics you wish to play

Stuff that is marked 'top secret' is just that, top secret, and it's not for him to make public. If there was anything illegal in the information he should have bought it to the relevant authorities, not released it for public viewing. He put lives at risk and undid years of diplomacy just so he could see his name up in lights. The guys a fuckwit and deserves everything he gets

Fuck off. You're just winding me up.

 

[johnsmith]

Fuck off. You're just winding me up.

sadly, I'm not. The guy really is a fuckwit

 

[Crackey]

Fuck off. You're just winding me up.

sadly, I'm not. The guy really is a fuckwit

OK, Let's take closer look at your post .....

he traded it no matter how much semantics you wish to play

"no matter"? If you want to defend your statement that he "traded" intel it matters to me to know if you have a valid point or just farting upwind .... so don't try some red herring "semantics" diversion with me. If you can't support your statement then you can piss off.

Stuff that is marked 'top secret' is just that, top secret, and it's not for him to make public.

"Top secret"? Crimes of that magnitude can legally be obscured by stamping them "top secret"? Ho-ho-ho!

Look, if you think those things ought to be kept secret then you and I have very little to discuss on any social-politcal subject. Would you like to try engaging me in a discussion about gardening, travel, or motoring perhaps? Yes, let's do that instead.

If there was anything illegal in the information he should have bought it to the relevant authorities ....

What, and end up dead in suspicious circumstances? Bradley Manning (the "source" of the most talked-about incident) did bring the matter up along the chain of command to the "relevant authorities". He was told to keep his head down and his mouth shut.

Look mate, I'm fairly old myself and learning the lessons of the day's high-stakes reality (after growing up during the 50's when government was considered "all-knowing and righteous") has been painful, but I manage to endure. I don't how old you are but I advise you to open your ears and eyes.

He put lives at risk and undid years of diplomacy ...

With that sort of attitude, I reckon you think big Mafia bosses ought to be left untouched lest the years of mob diplomacy vis-à-vis their victims be "undone" and risk lives.

As an additional note, I think you need to read up on Wikileaks' own diplomacy. They never release any info that would or could endanger lives. What they publish is a small per cent of the intel they are privy to for that very reason.

... just so he could see his name up in lights.

Strictly your own projection of someone whose attainment makes you feel inferior, it seems.

The guys a fuckwit and deserves everything he gets

Look, you don't like the colour of his socks or his greasy, unkempt hair ... fine. But if you think it's enough to imprison someone for life ....then you are a cunt.

 

[DreamRyderX]

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Majority of Capitol Rioters Avoid Prison....​

Those facing a 20-year sentence received less than six months.​

An Exception, not the rule.....​

Source: CENG NEWS

According to a Newsweek analysis of sentencing, judges have generally been lenient on rioters who plead guilty in 2021. Only about a third of those who confessed to misdemeanor charges were sentenced to prison.

More than half of the 71 Capitol rioters sentenced in 2021 avoided prison, but the majority of those defendants faced a maximum sentence of only six months. Judges have attempted to strike a balance between the need to send a message that deters future attacks and the need to punish those who have committed serious felonies, and the majority of those sentenced for serious felonies have been sentenced to years in prison.

Five defendаnts pleаded guilty to obstructing аn officiаl proceeding аnd аssаulting resisting or impeding officers with а dаngerous weаpon, both felonies with а mаximum sentence of 20 yeаrs in prison. Two defendаnts were sentenced to 41 months in prison, one to 46 months in prison, аnd Robert Pаlmer, who is аccused of аttаcking police officers with а wooden plаnk аnd sprаying them with а fire extinguisher, wаs sentenced to 63 months in prison.

Pаul Hodgkins, who wаs photogrаphed on the Senаte floor, wаs the only defendаnt to pleаd guilty to а felony аnd be sentenced to less thаn а yeаr in prison thus fаr. He wаs sentenced to 8 months in prison.

Judges hаve been fаr more lenient with Cаpitol rioters who pleаded guilty to misdemeаnor chаrges thаn with those chаrged with more serious crimes. Only 23 of the 63 Cаpitol rioters who were chаrged with misdemeаnors were sentenced to prison. According to Depаrtment of Justice dаtа reviewed by Newsweek, their prison sentences rаnged from 14 to six months, with rioters receiving аn аverаge of 51 dаys.

The mаjority of misdemeаnor defendаnts were sentenced to probаtion, with four of them receiving one-yeаr sentences or less. Two defendаnts were sentenced to 18 months of probаtion, while the remаining 32 were sentenced to two or three yeаrs of probаtion.

Lori Ann Vinson аnd Thomаs Vinson were sentenced to five yeаrs of probаtion eаch. At Lori Ann’s sentencing heаring, Judge Reggie Wаlton sаid he declined the prosecutors’ request for а 30-dаy jаil sentence due to the “аdditionаl costs” thаt incаrcerаtion imposes on tаxpаyers.......continued


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Insurrection? ......Nahh, just a band of frustrated, dumb ass, unruly demonstrators exercising what they thought was their Freedom of Speech, & for those gross misadventures & incorrect assumptions, they have been justly & satisfactorily punished for their boisterous demonstrations.

IMHO, Justice has been sufficiently served.......

As Thomas Jefferson, American Founding Father, America's 3rd President, & author of America's 'Declaration of Independence' once said:

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants,” ....

We have seen far, far more violence in recent times all across America.......

So, IMHO, America as a Nation will probably slowly, but surely, move on to more important issues.......

 

[Jim Lahey]

Do you support terrorism panther?

 

[DreamRyderX]

Do you support terrorism panther?

Nope.....never have, never will Greggy.

But, that said, it's always been a known fact that 'one person's terrorist, can be another person's freedom fighter'........the phrase of ‘one person’s terrorist is another person’s freedom fighter’ can be said to refer to, as the contradiction of someone being a ‘terrorist’ to one person and a ‘freedom fighter’ to another points to the obvious differences in opinions & perceptions of one & the same act, individual or group.

 

[Jim Lahey]

are you sure? You seem to side with the terrorists who stormed the capitol quite a lot....

 

[DreamRyderX]

are you sure? You seem to side with the terrorists who stormed the capitol quite a lot....

That the January 6th demonstrators are, in your & other's opinions, are said to be 'terrorists' is merely an extreme opinion your lot all collectively seem to subscribe to.

I do not subscribe to the same extreme opinion........quite the opposite.....I do not see them as anything but angry group of boisterous protestors.......

IMHO, those protestors simply went about their 'scary' protest in the incorrect manner, & again, IMHO, that was due to their high level of frustration after a highly contentious election.

As an American, I can see the difference in our opinions, because I understand that their demonstrations could have been voiced differently, avoiding your lot's extremist perceptions.....

 

[Jim Lahey]

Monk can attest I am not GP, so give it a rest.

You subscribe to the opinion it was simply a "protest" and not an attempted coup?

 

[DreamRyderX]

Monk can attest I am not GP, so give it a rest.

You subscribe to the opinion it was simply a "protest" and not an attempted coup?

As long as you use extremely similar phraseology, & lines of interrogation as Gweggy, I will express my opinion how I please......don't like it.......be unique, not carbon copyist, & maybe I'll reconsider my opinions.

Now, IMHO, simply a protest, badly staged & acted out.........if it was truly a 'coup' it would have been way more violent, destructive, & bloody......

They would have been armed, & those arms...if present...would/could have been used causing excessive bloody carnage......

My turn to ask a little question, would you consider the American Patriots who fought under Lieutenant Colonel Francis Marion "Terrorists"?.................

They killed hundreds upon hundreds of English sympathizers, citizens, & military over excessive taxation, & other common transgressions, carried out in the name of similar tyrannical European monarchs of their day.

 

[johnsmith]

If you want to defend your statement that he "traded" intel it matters to me to know if you have a valid point or just farting upwind .

he published those files to make himself famous,. He traded top secret info to build up his fame. The rest is semantics

"Top secret"? Crimes of that magnitude can legally be obscured by stamping them "top secret"? Ho-ho-ho!

Like I said, any real crime he had other avenues to seek justice. Instead he released tens of thousands of files that didn't reveal any crimes but instead revealed what diplomats thought of their opponents behind closed doors, or what A said about B at this party.

He was a gossip monger like 'woman's day' or 'New Idea' or any of the other gossip magazines out there. That he inadvertently revealed crimes was a fluke. He released thousands of files without even knowing what was in them beforehand. He also revealed the identities of informants and sources behind 'enemy' lines. It was reckless and endangered the lives of people whilst also undoing years of diplomacy.

In the end, he wasn't interested in righting wrongs, that was just his excuse to justify his behavior, he was only interested in building up his fame.

 

[johnsmith]

What, and end up dead in suspicious circumstances? Bradley Manning (the "source" of the most talked-about incident) did bring the matter up along the chain of command to the "relevant authorities". He was told to keep his head down and his mouth shut.

fuck the chaim of command. Bring it to the US prosecutors, or the international courts. Or anyone else not directly involved in the 'chain of command'. Of course the chain of command is about covering up the armies dirty deeds. Take it outside the army and seek justice, if that's what you really want. But if you want to be famous, release it on the internet and pretend you're a hero for it.