There are no legitimate military targets in Gaza ... Israel's bombing of homes, government buildings, and other buildings is a criminal atrocity

Squire

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Today Israel bombed a refugee camp killing 8 people of which 6 were children and 2 were women.

There are no military targets in Gaza. Every Israeli bomb and missile is an atrocity.

Israel's propaganda falsely labels its actions as a war against Hamas. It is not, it is a criminal atrocity against Palestinians in Gaza.

The current Israeli atrocities were fomented by Prime Minister Netanyahu to distract from his political problems of criminal charges against him and his failure to form a government after three consecutive elections.

Israel is oppressing Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza with the support of the USA.
 
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pinkeye

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Agree.
Palestine was taken from the people there (the Palestinians) and given to the new state of Israel. Expunged from the maps. It no longer exists.

After WW2. Before then Palestine used to exist as a country.. but the people were disenfranchised and put into camps.
Nothing seems to have improved for the Palestinian people in 75 years.......................... Why?

I could see no good reason to locate the displaced Jewish survivors of the War in the middle of the Arab nations, and basically give them Jerusalem. It seemed a situation ripe for further conflict. !

Then I thought a bit more about it.
Seems a very calculated move to me by those British, French, USA etc dealers who put Israel together. ! All old Christian nations.
They get .. A ready-made army to fight against Moslem claims to the Holy City, the Mount etc.

Remember Jerusalem existed as a Holy place BEFORE the rise of Judaism, Christianity and the rise of Islam.

Pigeons eventually come home to roost.
 

Squire

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The Israeli bombing of a building occupied by media Al Jazeera and Associated Press is patently a criminal atrocity with the objective of silencing foreign media reporting of Israel's criminal acts.
 

SethBullock

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The Israeli bombing of a building occupied by media Al Jazeera and Associated Press is patently a criminal atrocity with the objective of silencing foreign media reporting of Israel's criminal acts.
Is it a criminal act for Hamas to locate itself in civilian areas, press buildings, schools, etc?

I say yes, it is.
 

Squire

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Is it a criminal act for Hamas to locate itself in civilian areas, press buildings, schools, etc?

I say yes, it is.
You are just repeating Israeli propaganda. You have no direct personal knowledge that your claims are true.

War criminals are concealing themselves in buildings in Israel.
 

SethBullock

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You are just repeating Israeli propaganda. You have no direct personal knowledge that your claims are true.

War criminals are concealing themselves in buildings in Israel.
To my knowledge, Hamas does not have a designated military base. This means that their fighters and weapons exist in civilian areas, endangering civilians. If they cared about their people, they would designate some empty space as a military base, store their weapons there, and garrison all their fighters there ... like other civilized countries do.
 

Squire

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To my knowledge, Hamas does not have a designated military base. This means that their fighters and weapons exist in civilian areas, endangering civilians. If they cared about their people, they would designate some empty space as a military base, store their weapons there, and garrison all their fighters there ... like other civilized countries do.
Hamas are not terrorists. Hamas are freedom fighters, not a conventional military. Israel prevents Hamas from having weapons and organizing.

The Israeli IDF is a terrorist organization that enjoys killing Palestinian civilians and that has turned the killing of Palestinians into an Israeli sport.
 

SethBullock

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Hamas are not terrorists. Hamas are freedom fighters, not a conventional military. Israel prevents Hamas from having weapons and organizing.

The Israeli IDF is a terrorist organization that enjoys killing Palestinian civilians and that has turned the killing of Palestinians into an Israeli sport.
Hamas has a moral obligation to garrison all of its fighters and weapons in an area apart from populated areas, but they don't because they hide behind civilians.
 

Squire

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Hamas has a moral obligation to garrison all of its fighters and weapons in an area apart from populated areas, but they don't because they hide behind civilians.
Hamas is not a military force. It is a resistance to oppression and criminal acts by Israel.

Resistance is always conducted by stealth.
 

johnsmith

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funny how the three of the buildings Israel blew down were bases for the international media organisations such as Al Gazeera and Ass. Press .... it's not like the media would ever base themselves in a building being used by hamass and I'm sure they have security to protect them and their building from potential terrorist strikes by hamas .. Israel is just trying to stop them reporting on their indiscriminate bombings
 

SethBullock

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funny how the three of the buildings Israel blew down were bases for the international media organisations such as Al Gazeera and Ass. Press .... it's not like the media would ever base themselves in a building being used by hamass and I'm sure they have security to protect them and their building from potential terrorist strikes by hamas .. Israel is just trying to stop them reporting on their indiscriminate bombings
John, I don't believe the press in Gaza has the ability to deny Hamas the use of its building. It is consistent with past practice of Hamas using schools and hospitals to shield them from attack.

"The airstrikes on Saturday – the sixth consecutive day of hostilities between Israel and Hamas – came roughly an hour after the Israeli military ordered people to evacuate al-Jalaa tower ..."

"A statement from the Israel Defence Forces said the building had contained military assets belonging to the intelligence offices of Hamas."


So the destruction of the building was not intended to kill people, but to destroy those assets.

I don't believe that striking that building was intended to shut down reporting. The destruction of the building was broadcast live, so reporting continues. In this day and age, shutting down reporting would be almost impossible. Everyone has an iphone.
 

Squire

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John, I don't believe the press in Gaza has the ability to deny Hamas the use of its building. It is consistent with past practice of Hamas using schools and hospitals to shield them from attack.

"The airstrikes on Saturday – the sixth consecutive day of hostilities between Israel and Hamas – came roughly an hour after the Israeli military ordered people to evacuate al-Jalaa tower ..."

"A statement from the Israel Defence Forces said the building had contained military assets belonging to the intelligence offices of Hamas."


So the destruction of the building was not intended to kill people, but to destroy those assets.

I don't believe that striking that building was intended to shut down reporting. The destruction of the building was broadcast live, so reporting continues. In this day and age, shutting down reporting would be almost impossible. Everyone has an iphone.
Seth Bullock is a cheap shill for Israeli propaganda.
 

johnsmith

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John, I don't believe the press in Gaza has the ability to deny Hamas the use of its building.
I disagree .... do you think the Press would just sit there and let potential terrorists use their buildings? neither would the owners of the building risk losing a tenant like that ..... They would have that place locked up tight ... even if only because they would make easy targets for any terrorist looking to get famous on youtube beheading a journo. I also don't think israel is beyond planting fake evidence to protect their interests if they've have an agenda they think western media doesn't agree with.

Also, it doesn't make sense that they just wanted to destroy the building if they thought it contained Hamas' intelligence services. It would serve them far better to destroy the intelligence heirarcy as well. I firmly believe this was just about shutting down the media.
 

SethBullock

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I disagree .... do you think the Press would just sit there and let potential terrorists use their buildings? neither would the owners of the building risk losing a tenant like that ..... They would have that place locked up tight ... even if only because they would make easy targets for any terrorist looking to get famous on youtube beheading a journo. I also don't think israel is beyond planting fake evidence to protect their interests if they've have an agenda they think western media doesn't agree with.

Also, it doesn't make sense that they just wanted to destroy the building if they thought it contained Hamas' intelligence services. It would serve them far better to destroy the intelligence heirarcy as well. I firmly believe this was just about shutting down the media.
I don't believe the press had the ability to deny access and use of that building to Hamas in Gaza. I'm not even sure the building really belonged to the press, or if they were only allowed to use it by Hamas.

May 15 (Reuters) - The chief executive of the Associated Press said on Saturday the U.S.-based media organization was “shocked and horrified” after the Israeli military destroyed a 12-storey building housing its offices and those of Qatar-based broadcaster Al Jazeera.

The Israeli military said the building was also used by the Islamist militant group Hamas.

“They have long known the location of our bureau and knew journalists were there,” Associated Press President and CEO Gary Pruitt said in a statement, adding that the company was given warning of the strike and its journalists evacuated in time. (Reporting by Nathan Layne in Wilton, Connecticut; Editing by Daniel Wallis)


Notice that they didn't say they owned the building, nor did they complain about the value of the building that was destroyed. It doesn't sound to me like it was their building. It sounds more like they were simply using it with permission, or renting space.
 

SethBullock

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the 'media' rented several floors, the rest were private residential units
So they didn't have control over the building. Given their track record, it makes sense to believe that Hamas Military Intelligence was using parts of the building.
 

pinkeye

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Seems you'll believe what suits you Seth.

Personally I condemn Israeli actions... it is shameful. They are ruled by fear, and that is the base of much human misery. They should do better.

Surely, they (Israelis) must understand what it is like to have no home ..at least from their family histories. And yet ..they to do the same thing to a smaller minority, the Palestinians.

Shame on Israel. Shame.
 
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