SA: COVID cases and deaths rise

Shellandshilo1956

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I've addressed this earlier. But here, agian:

Still gaslighting! You provided jack. A right wing magazine flogging booster shots for the drug companies. Really? It's really simple,

Are vaccinated people also catching, transmitting, or dying from Covid-19 or not?
Are the numbers of vaccinated people being infected, or dying with this virus still rising or not?
Are people with multiple vaccines and boosters still being infected and dying with this virus or not?
Does the immune system need man's help, after millions of years of evolution?
Have lockdowns, vaccinations, masks slowed down the rate of SARS-CoV-2 infections?
Do over 90% of Australian's tested, still test negative to this virus?
Is the survival rate of people infected with this virus, still around 98%?
Does the media report how many people are no longer infected?
Does the media report any difference between dying with, or from Covid-19. Or not?
How does the therapeutic value of vaccinated people, affect non-vaccinated people who don't even have the disease? Just insanity!

Clearly, you're not interested in anything I have to say. I certainly can see why most of you pseudo-sophists were banned from other forums. Trust me, I know this subject very well. You clearly DON'T. And, based on all your flippant, arrogant, parroted soundbites, and irrelevant self-serving links, you clearly don't understand, or know WTF you're talking about. But, I don't blame you. I would probably do the same thing as you to save face. I would also speak in the narrative, misrepresent, huff-and-bluff, lie, belittle, embarrass, and commit these silly fallacies, to save face as well.

I now know what its like to reason with someone who thinks he's Napoleon. If you think that we're in the middle of a viral apocalypse, great! If you believe that we should vaccinate babies in the womb, great! If you believe that we should be vaccinated for every conceivable pathogen, as long as it is safe, great! If you believe, that we should have mRNA molecules telling skin cells to start making more hair follicles, great! If you believe that people should have no choice in what the government tells them to put into their bodies, great! If you believe that all antivaxxers should be exposed and ostracized in society, then dust off your high boots. And, if having 20 vaccines make you feel safe and secure, then keep having them. None of this is MY business. So, KEEP YOUR BUSINESS TO YOURSELF!

You can only maintain a bluff for so long. Now we're down to ridiculing, pretending, and parroting what you're told to believe. Having to justify someone else's beliefs using your own reasoning is a bit tough. Especially, when you don't have the basic knowledge and understanding. So, keep cut, copying and pasting! You don't have to understand it. Oh! And, a trip to the chemist, was to get the (NON-PRESCRIBED) medication to address the COMMON SYMPTOMS OF THE DISEASE! In fact these medications will DIRECTLY address the symptoms. But vaccines only INDIRECTLY address the symptoms. Another strawman!

It doesn't matter what I posit to show you why you're wrong, or aren't considering the whole picture. You will just misrepresent or rationalize it away, or hiding behind more selective self-serving links(I can't question links). If you did understand the immune system, viruses, and antibodies, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The media is truly more powerful, than just one person. Your last post was full of things I never said, misrepresentations, and lies.

I was just reading about a beautiful little 2yo girl, here in Queensland, who was healthy, and later died from Covid-19. I was devastated over the loss of this precious life. Although this autoimmune response is very rare response, it is a perfect example of someone dying FROM this virus.

Anyway, I'm throwing in the towel. I can at least say that I tried. Maybe ignorance IS bliss!
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
One assumes you were not born an ignorant cunt and your parents were in a cult and taught you this?

Look at a graph of infant mortality over time and explain how natural immunity kept kids safe before vaccines?
Well I now know that you ARE an ignorant cunt! And, no one would claim to be your parents. Now fuck-off you moron!!
 

Linus

Member
Shell's last hooray before threw in the towel:
"Still gaslighting! You provided jack. A right wing magazine flogging booster shots for the drug companies. Really? It's really simple,"

Quite unfair, Shell. The funny thing about right wing sites is that they usually spout your nonsense, especially the extreme right.
Actually, Shell, here's a link to a media bias checker. This is what they said about Fortune Magazine:
"Overall, we rate Fortune Magazine Right-Center Biased based on editorial positions that favor business and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. (D. Van Zandt 10/6/2016) Updated (2/14/2021)"

I've already told you about you ignoring hyperlinks within that article. They would have gotten you on your way to the data.
And I gave you another link to the CDC website which is replete with the data which you seemed to require to satisfy your idea of a causal link between vaccine and stated effects of lowering serious illness and death.
You refuse to look. Not my problem
Shell keeps firing her machine gun whilst in full retreat and sprays:
"Are vaccinated people also catching, transmitting, or dying from Covid-19 or not?"

We've been here before. Yes but at a lower rate than unvaxxed people like you. There have been variants as you would be aware and there have been some breakthrough cases. And not all vaxxed people have had all the prescribed doses.Yet your own sources and mine have stated that the current vaccination program is the way to go. And catching up with prescribed doses and getting the booster will help here.

Go to the CDC website I linked, you'll see all in their data.But you're just being disingenuous.


Shell writes:

"Does the immune system need man's help, after millions of years of evolution?

Oh, really, Shell, have you been living under a rock? What kind of asinine question is that?

Millions have died or been incapacitated in history by diseases such as small pox, measles, polio, typhoid, flus, bacterial infections etc . Vaccines and antibiotics have saved countless lives.

Why do you think you had your childhood vaccinations? If you left it to your evolving immune system, you dingbat, you'd have had a good chance of being dead, blind or lame long before coming to this topic to take a crap in.

Evolution is slow and Shell thinks, "Oh, we can all wait for our immune systems to evolve"...Millions upon millions would be dead following Shell's sage advice.

I think after that STUPID question, people would be aware that you're some kind of crackpot, if not already somewhere near the beginning.

You have failed to make the case you started out with. You have no genuine or valid argument against mRNA vaccines. All you can do in desperation is to throw a barrage of irrelevant kitchen sinks , engage in fallacious reasoning , add a few ad hominems and then return to your vomit.

Here was your basic structure :

1. Against use of mRNA vaccines. Raised disingenuous questions trying to cast aspersions on these vaccines without proving anything and contrary to data, which you just ignored. Even your own links, which you obviously didn't read through, contained endorsement of the current vaccination program employed against Covid,that is, the mRNA vaccines.

2. You harped on about your body being induced to create antigen(s),trying to suggest that this was unethical in some way without even bothering to explain why on any criteria. Just is !

3. Natural or traditional vaccines better you said, ( only argument put forward there was natural vaccines were better because they afford generalised immunity against variants as opposed to the specificity of mRNA vaccines. Cleary false flu variants necessitate new vaccines. You then said in some garbled fashion said flu has a 'segmented genome" and covid doesn't without any explanation as to what that had to do with the price of fish. Regardless, they both have variants that get around vaccines and these have to be updated. But, hey, it's bad, bad mRNA vaccines.

4. You questioned the ingredients in vaccines, ignorantly saying that full disclosures weren't given. Why was that a problem? Was it safety concerns I asked? You said it wasn't about safety, anyway as it stands the vaccines have been found to be very safe - billions of trials. INo full disclosure was just a red flag to you -no reason given! And just on that, every drug that is covered by intellectual property laws protecting their formulas would be a red flag to you, probably the very drugs you take . But mRNA vaccine is bad for doing this according to your special pleading umpiring but not your traditional vaccines. huh? These would also have protected formulations.

5. You then you switched to: we don't know any of the long term effects of these drugs at the same time denying you were saying anything about safety. One wonders what issues you were contemplating. You ignored the link which discussed why there would be no long term issues if none arose within a week of the vaccine being administered. And it's funny that you sang the praises of an emerging antiviral yet did not apply your own critique to it. Ahem, ingredients, long term issues blah, blah , blah.

3. You threw in a host of videos explaining how the immune system. Great, but that didn't demonstrate anything against mRNA vaccines. It's like you were saying watch this stuff, I know this stuff (questionable given some things you said) and therefore what I say is right even if it's contrary to : experts or medical references who would disagree, billions of trials showng proven effectiveness. Even in your own links there was support for mRNA vaccines. Shell screams SHEEPLE, media conspiracy...me, Shell, knows best.

4. And you questioned whether man needed any kind of vaccines suggesting that evolution of the immune system would take care of things contrary to the fact that whilst we waited for evolution millions upon millions would be dead, suffering or incapacitated in some way, even you who received childhood vaccines could have been part of those millions if not for the vaccinations you received.

5. All that's left for Shell is contempt for SHEEPLE in the thrall of lying media.




SHELL FINALLY SAYS:

"Anyway, I'm throwing in the towel. I can at least say that I tried. Maybe ignorance IS bliss!'


[Yes, Shell, you should have done it a lot earlier and saved me the time.

Enjoy your blissful ignorance. And goodnight.]



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Shellandshilo1956

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Because I can read? Because I trust science? Because I know history? Because I don't mainline anti science bullshit because the orange fascist told me to?

Honestly, you are just laughable.
Anyone can read, but not everyone can understand what they read. The only science I've seen here is confirmation bias. Supported by lies, misrepresentations, half-truths, fallacies, omissions, and anything that can be cut copy or pasted, and passed as truth. What exactly is this anti-science bullshit that I am mainlining? Other than I believe in keeping my right to choose what goes into my body(pro-choice), I have no idea WTF you're talking about. You're just another one that is all mouth and no substance. And, I would rather listen to any orange(??) fascist, than to a government that forces/coerces its people to stick a schedule 4 poison into their bodies. And, then tells them, that it is for the social good to rat-out or shame people who DO NOT COMPLY!! This is the REAL FASCISM.

Are any of the FACTS I've posited wrong or illogical? NO! None of this is important now. I don't know you, or have ever spoken with you. You called me an ignorant cunt, and a comment about my parents. Since you dissed me and my parents right off the get-go, we have nothing more to say. And, based on your stupid and irrelevant comment about how long we've known about mRNA, or your half-truth about infant mortalities, we definitely have nothing more to say. You're just another toady mouthpiece that proves that garbage in will always produce garbage out.

So again, FUCK-OFF MORON! Go back to your echo-chamber(or pub) for another ego-gratification and self-delusion top-up!
 
Other than I believe in keeping my right to choose what goes into my body(pro-choice), I have no idea WTF you're talking about. You're just another one that is all mouth and no substance. And, I would rather listen to any orange(??) fascist, than to a government that forces/coerces its people to stick a schedule 4 poison into their bodies. And, then tells them, that it is for the social good to rat-out or shame people who DO NOT COMPLY!! This is the REAL FASCISM.
Have you ever had a mental health assessment? In Australia, they are free. If you are in the USA, you're in the third world, and I am sorry.

The real fascism is what trump did. Actual fascism. Scientific medicine (that contains no poison and saves lives) is not fascist. Dumbass
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Have you ever had a mental health assessment? In Australia, they are free. If you are in the USA, you're in the third world, and I am sorry.

The real fascism is what trump did. Actual fascism. Scientific medicine (that contains no poison and saves lives) is not fascist. Dumbass
No I haven't! Have you??

Don't change my words, idiot. I never said that it CONTAINED a poison, dumb-shit. So, is the Covid-19 vaccine listed as a schedule 4 poison(can't simply buy it over the counter) in Australia or not!

I don't give a shit what Trump did. It was Authoritarianism, NOT FASCISM! You moron! And, it became MEDICAL FASCISM, once the state forced/coerced its citizens to become vaccinated(job losses, vaccine passports, etc.).
 
No I haven't! Have you??

Don't change my words, idiot. I never said that it CONTAINED a poison, dumb-shit. So, is the Covid-19 vaccine listed as a schedule 4 poison(can't simply buy it over the counter) in Australia or not!

I don't give a shit what Trump did. It was Authoritarianism, NOT FASCISM! You moron! And, it became MEDICAL FASCISM, once the state forced/coerced its citizens to become vaccinated(job losses, vaccine passports, etc.).
You are a fucking idiot. Trump is the definition of fascism. Medicine is not fascism. Listed as a poison. Jesus fucking Christ.
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
No I haven't! Have you??

Don't change my words, idiot. I never said that it CONTAINED a poison, dumb-shit. So, is the Covid-19 vaccine listed as a schedule 4 poison(can't simply buy it over the counter) in Australia or not!

I don't give a shit what Trump did. It was Authoritarianism, NOT FASCISM! You moron! And, it became MEDICAL FASCISM, once the state forced/coerced its citizens to become vaccinated(job losses, vaccine passports, etc.).
Donald - Mango Mussolini - Trump is a fascist.

 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
You are a fucking idiot. Trump is the definition of fascism. Medicine is not fascism. Listed as a poison. Jesus fucking Christ.
Yes moron it is listed as a schedule 4 poison. And, Jesus fucking Christ will not change this fact!

If you think that the Trump Administration was an example of a Fascist administration, then you are a dumber idiot than I thought. Trump had no dictatorial powers at all. Other presidents have written more executive orders than Trump. He couldn't even suppress two impeachments, let alone change the outcome of an election. Fascist dictators could do all this easily.

Once individual choice was suspended regarding this vaccine, it became medical(NOT MEDICINE) fascism. Once people were forced/coerced/fined/imprisoned for non-compliance, it became MEDICAL FASCISM!! So go tell those Australians who have lost their job, paying thousands in fines, sitting in prison, or couldn't go and bury their own mother, that it's not MEDICAL FASCISM!
 
Yes moron it is listed as a schedule 4 poison. And, Jesus fucking Christ will not change this fact!

If you think that the Trump Administration was an example of a Fascist administration, then you are a dumber idiot than I thought. Trump had no dictatorial powers at all. Other presidents have written more executive orders than Trump. He couldn't even suppress two impeachments, let alone change the outcome of an election. Fascist dictators could do all this easily.

Once individual choice was suspended regarding this vaccine, it became medical(NOT MEDICINE) fascism. Once people were forced/coerced/fined/imprisoned for non-compliance, it became MEDICAL FASCISM!! So go tell those Australians who have lost their job, paying thousands in fines, sitting in prison, or couldn't go and bury their own mother, that it's not MEDICAL FASCISM!
It seems likely to me that it IS listed as a poison, and you're just too dumb to know what that means....

As usual, the right have no clue what fascism is. Literacy is hard....

MEDICAL FASCISM is bullshit you made up, you ass clown. No one was forced to vaccinate. Poor decisions just have consequences, as they should.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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It seems likely to me that it IS listed as a poison, and you're just too dumb to know what that means....

As usual, the right have no clue what fascism is. Literacy is hard....

MEDICAL FASCISM is bullshit you made up, you ass clown. No one was forced to vaccinate. Poor decisions just have consequences, as they should.
I told you what it means, dumb-dumb. It means that you can't simple buy it over the counter. And, that it must be prescribed, and administered by medically licensed personnel. Nothing to do with whether it has poisons in it or not! I thought you told me you could read!

Still more if the same pretentious huffing and bluffing, and deflecting. Medical fascism is MY INTERPRETATION OF THE FACTS!! If you disagree, then point out what facts are not true. You, like all other dumb-ass government toady sycophants, just don't want to hear what the facts mean. You locked down suburbs, fined and arrested people for not wearing masks, or to keep more than 2 meters apart. You told doctors, nurse, teachers, pilots, healthcare workers, construction workers, etc., that if they don't get the jab, they can kiss your jobs goodbye. Sounds pretty forced to me!!

Or, did you mean forced in the sense of, having government storm-troopers holding you down, and forcing a needle into your arm. Oh, and saying, "This is for your own good, and that you are making the right decision."? I suppose the optics would be counter-productive globally!

And, to add insanity to absurdity, you now believe that the people who CHOSE to keep their jobs, not to go to jail, not to pay a thousand in fines, not be thrown out of restaurants, libraries, or building sites, were not forced/coerced into getting vaccinated? You are not only a dumb-dumb, but a dumb-dumb in denial. Again, go tell your bullshit to those people who chose to do the opposite.

Fascism is a political ideology that is NOT limited to the far right. But, I'm curious, why wouldn't the far right not have a clue what Fascism is? It is repressive, nationalist, and authoritarian by its nature. The bread and butter beliefs of Conservatism.

And, who gets to decide WHAT DECISIONS ARE POOR?? You?? Fuck off you idiot!
 

Linus

Member
Here is an interesting article...

....However, studies specifically related to Covid-19 had generally found conservative or right-wing people were more likely to be reluctant over public health recommendations - because of belief in conspiracy theories.


The new study, published online before peer review, involved initial online surveys of about 3600 people at the time of New Zealand's main Covid-19 wave last year - along with follow-up surveys with more than 1600 people eight months later.


Participants were asked where they sat on a scale measuring liberal and conservative values, along with questions gauging their belief in the credibility of science and common Covid-19 conspiracy theories.


After completing their analysis, they found most people - 78 per cent - were willing to take a vaccine.


While those who were more reluctant typically leaned to the right, Winter said that was most often the case when there was a corresponding belief in conspiracy theories.


"What we found quite fascinating, is that this effect is wiped out when a right wing individual has a strong trust in science," he said...



Interesting, indeed, for making various inferences....
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Look, I struggle to find the energy but calmly correcting right wing scum over and over is the only way to defeat them
Then correct this you rude prick,

"I suspect you know this is bullshit. Democrats are right wing, but, ignoring that, I don't see anyone on 'the left' wanting to kill people for who they are.". Democrats are "Left Wing", NOT "Right Wing"!! (post #34 Civil war in America).

Now correct these statements(without insults, lies, and fallacies),

Our natural immune systems was evolved to protect us from all pathogens and antigens!
The condition of our immune system will determine the level of severity of any disease!
The Covid-19 disease has a mortality rate less than that of the Measles!
The SARS-CoV-2 virus is 100's of times smaller than the pore size of any facemask!
Vaccinated people will be protected from being infected, transmitting, or dying from Covid-19!
Over 98% of Australians survived Covid-19 in the 14 month BEFORE ANY VACCINES!
Every human should have the right to choose what goes into their body!
We should all continue to inject ourselves, with whatever the government tells us to!
Australians should shame, ridicule, label, segregate, and discriminate against anyone who questions the herd's beliefs!
Multiple chronic comorbidities are irrelevant regarding Covid-19-related deaths.
Taking any vaccine should never be forced or coerced by the government!

Never mind! Don't think. Don't question. Just do as you're told!
 

Linus

Member
And the broken vinyl plays on....:sleep:

Whilst perusing various threads in the forums, I did come across Mothra quoting Noam Chomsky. I always appreciated Noam's courage and incisive analysis. And there I saw Shell give a like to that quote.

I surmise that Shell has a similar appreciation of this towering intellectual figure. I wonder if she ever had a tete-a-tete with him whether she'd accuse him of being a SHEEPLE in the thrall of a powerful conspiratorial media. Or whether the penny would drop and she'd realise that she's on the wrong side of this issue as the evidence, and even her own sources, indicate.

Ahem, this is what Noam Chomsky had to say for the likes of ant-Covid vaxxers like you, Shell:

"Noam Chomsky says the unvaccinated should just remove themselves from society

MIT professor emeritus and political activist Noam Chomsky said he believes that while unvaccinated people have the right to refuse a COVID jab, they should “have the decency to isolate” from the community for the safety of others.

People who refuse to accept vaccines, I think the right response for them is not to force them to, but rather to insist that they be isolated. If people decide, ‘I am willing to be a danger to the community by refusing to vaccinate,’ they should say then, ‘Well, I also have the decency to isolate myself. I don’t want a vaccine, but I don’t have the right to run around harming people.’ That should be a convention,” said Chomsky.


...If it really reaches the point where they are severely endangering people, then of course you have to do something about it,” he added.


The 92-year-old scholar compared the refusal to get vaccinated to people who refuse to obey traffic rules."



Hopefully, Shell, you're following his advice. :roll
 
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stunspore

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If Shell had read the abc article: https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2022-07-29/covid-19-three-myths-challenge-lies-ahead/101274980
then...
What are your responses in particular to Myth #1? That those that survive are now more likely to suffer poorer health outcomes like the paragraph:
"The risk of cardiovascular disease, for example, increased after one infection, but doubled in people who had two infections, and tripled in those who had been infected thrice.

The numbers translate into 50 extra cases of heart disease per 1,000 people who've had COVID-19 twice."

There's also myths #2 and #3.
 
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