Election 2022

johnsmith

Moderator
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In the beginning, I thought that you and your mates were only good at gas-lighting people, misrepresenting their comments, ignoring their facts, or just changing the goal posts until people stop wasting their time. But I now realize that you really don't understand what I'm saying.
you've got it the wrong way around. It is YOU who doesn't understand what is being said. That is why you struggle so with EVERYONE you try to debate.

I only mentioned a DD in response to a comment about money in politics!
I don't care why you mentioned it. The concept of a DD was the only thing I was interested in and that is what I have since been discussing. It was kinda obvious by the fact that I deliberately QUOTED only the comment about the DD and omitted the rest of your gibberish

What are some of the issues/bills/proposals on the federal ballot box that voters can directly vote on(where the majority wins)?
ALL bills. Either you have a DD or you don't. One doesn't get to pick and choose when you change your forms of government to suit your agenda.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
you've got it the wrong way around. It is YOU who doesn't understand what is being said. That is why you struggle so with EVERYONE you try to debate.
Oh, I don't struggle at all understanding why you selectively ignore context whenever anyone disagrees with you. Or, why you need to fixate, avoid, gaslight, deflect, or cling to semantics, whenever anyone explains why they disagree with you. If you believe that your representatives should be able to ignore any issue that they personally are not interested in, THEN I SIMPLY DISAGREE WITH YOU! If this is your premise, then what issue can you posit to support this? Here are some examples of issues.

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentar...billslst_8100fb48-0592-488b-828b-d017b24562d4

I don't care why you mentioned it. The concept of a DD was the only thing I was interested in and that is what I have since been discussing. It was kinda obvious by the fact that I deliberately QUOTED only the comment about the DD and omitted the rest of your gibberish
So you believe that debating is about picking and choosing any statement you want out of context, and ignoring relevance, context, meaning, or even purpose? You're right, I clearly I don't know how to debate. OH! that was sarcasm by the way. Before you respond back that I said, "I clearly don't know how to debate.".

ALL bills. Either you have a DD or you don't. One doesn't get to pick and choose when you change your forms of government to suit your agenda.
Well, we've never had a DD(or any other country), so "picking and choosing" has no relevance to my agenda at all. Except in your head! I simply don't recall any federal bills/proposals appearing on the federal ballot box. So for the last time, what is just one bill/proposal that voters can vote on at the federal ballot box? Surely, you can cite just one?
 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
So you believe that debating is about picking and choosing any statement you want out of context, and ignoring relevance, context, meaning, or even purpose?
no, i believe i get to decide what topics i discuss, not you.
Well, we've never had a DD(or any other country),
no shit sherlock. did you have to google that?

I'm not discussing what is, i'm discussing what might be.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
no, i believe i get to decide what topics i discuss, not you.
So if I'm talking about apples, then you have the right to change the topic, and respond with oranges? I agree with you here. This is exactly how you debate.

no shit sherlock. did you have to google that?
NO! It's just common sense, and common knowledge to most people.

I'm not discussing what is, i'm discussing what might be.
Are you now saying that there MIGHT be bills/proposals on the federal ballot box? Maybe you can cite an example of a bill that we MIGHT expect to see on the federal ballot box in the future?

Never mind! Who knows what other topic you might decide to respond with.
 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
So if I'm talking about apples, then you have the right to change the topic, and respond with oranges?

No, if you are talking about apples and you relate them to oranges, I can address the part of the discussion involving oranges ... a subject YOU introduced into the topic

t's just common sense, and common knowledge to most people.
the way you kept repeating it it sounded like it was a revelation to you

Are you now saying that there MIGHT be bills/proposals on the federal ballot box?
Are you on drugs? No one suggested any such thing. This is a politics forum not parliament. We are free to discuss hypotheticals. Discussion is not restricted to what bills are tabled at any one time
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho 💉💉
Staff member
Well, voted.

Greens last in HoR, not preferenced in Senate (above the line.) The only climate change action the frauds are interested in is letting AGW rip rather than their wealthy inner city base have to pay a bit more tax or something. Neoliberals in fact.

Marijuana party got my 6th pref.
 

HBS Guy

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A Lib party interested in freedom for the individual, in private enterprise that is not tax money used for private ends (e.g. private schools) etc etc would be nice to see.
 

mothra

Administrator
Staff member
A great day for Australia. I am beyond thrilled to see how issues pertaining to women were both on the front line and so fabulously endorsed by the Australian people. Too late for Julia Gillard but nonetheless, about fucking time. So very many smart, committed women coming into power. Just brilliant. What's more, women's voices seem to have been a major influencer in this election. At last!

And the Uluru Statement! Bless!

Loved Albo's victory speech, although he was a bit impatient with the crowd, albeit a very drunk and exuberant crowd. Was moved by his emphasis on kindness and inclusion and the devoted honour he paid his mother and his humble upbringing. May he be a true advocate for those who share similar stories. They so desperately need as many as they can get, after all these years of LNP hack and slash.

Strengthening Medicare after what the Libs have done to it ... tick. Let's see if they undo all the damage though.

Aged care, tick.

Massive hat tip to Trade Unions, big tick.

Housing ... fail. I wait though.
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho 💉💉
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Oh good! None of the TVs on the Spirit seemed to show the election. Was worried by some desperate sounding appeals for donations.

Did ’Scummo make a handsome concession speech?

What is the margin in HoR, Senate?
 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
Yesterday was a good day for Australia.

The only Downside is that Dutton managed to hold onto his seat. From all the chatter I've been hearing, it seems he's most likely to become the new leader of the liberal party after next week. Which I think is a mistake.

The rise of the teals and the greens was in part due to a protest from more central traditional liberal party voters protesting the liberal partys move to the far right over the last few years. Putting Dutton in as leader will only exacerbate that
 

stunspore

Member
You can't make everyone happy. Hence political parties splinter into their factions. One day, perhaps the libs will offer enough to entice teals into their ranks.
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho 💉💉
Staff member
So, May 21 it is.

Will Australians stay stupid and vote the corrupt Morrison government back into power?

Sadly, I think they will :cry:
Glad you were a bum prophet there, Greg!

IF Labor keeps attacking/doing away with the vile labor market practices—zero hour contracts etc—then the Labor PRIMARY vote will improve and it will become MUCH more difficult to say Tweedledee and Tweedledum about the two major parties.
 
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