Covid-19 Revisit

HBS Guy

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The plastic bag on Mum’s walker is a bag incontinence pants come in. There were two left in there. Why Mum decided to carry them into the vaxx centre is a mystery.
 

HBS Guy

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The staff knew she was 100 because on the form I wrote “I am 100 years old” to the question if you had a compromised immune system.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Long COVID can occur in children, even those who were asymptomatic.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01935-7
More of the same fear and panic-mongering. How many of these kids(6-16 yo) died from Covid-19? Oops, not mentioned. Exactly what were some of these lingering Covid-19-specific symptoms are we talking about? Insomnia, headaches,fatigue, and difficulty in concentrating? I guess the article shows the direct link between Covid-19, and these lasting symptoms. Or, even why? Exactly how long does long lasting symptoms mean? Oops, they don't say. How many children have died in Australia from Covid-19, since Jan. 2020? NONE!! How many children have died from the common cold or flu, since Jan. 2020? In children the common flu or cold can kill, whether they have any underlying health issues or not. Again not mentioned for perspective.

In the end people will wake up to this nonsense. We're órganizing another freedom rally for Sat. 24th July 2021. This time we expect 10's of thousands of people who still can think for themselves.

It still amazes me. If the Australia government had NOT jumped on the international bandwagon, Australians would have not seen any adverse changes to their daily lives. Most people wouldn't even know someone with Covid-19, let alone someone who had died from its complications.

Anyway, we see the facts in their proper perspective. We don't think that the freedoms of 99.99% of the entire Australian population, and its total economy, should ever be sacrificed. Especially, to a flu-like virus, that over 97% of all those infected will recover(with little or no treatment) and develop their own natural immunity, naturally.

What is it going to take? How much more power are you willing to give up? Or, is the dying cockroach your only position? Covid-19 is an illness caused by a virus. The hospitals and medical community are there to treat it. As with all other illnesses, that is their job.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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CBS News is reporting that Covid infections are on the rise in the U.S. mainly due to the spread of the delta variant. However, they are also reporting that 99% of these new infections are occurring in unvaccinated people.

Seth, I know just how easy it is to believe anything that is polished, packaged, and presented by very good professional actors. Especially when this show is funded, and influenced in part, by Big Pharma, the MIC, and the oil companies. But I want you to think for a moment about what you are being told. And, what you are not being told.

There are Alpha, Beta, Kappa(replaced by Delta, and Lambda variants of the Covid SARS 2 virus. But just like humans with serious anomalies(variants) in their genes and chromosomes, they generally don't survive long. In viruses, all variants of the original are weaker in some respects, to the original strain. Some viral variants may be more infectious, but reproduce slowly. Some variants may only be limited to the upper respiratory tract. Some variants can't survive long without a host. And some variants have an extremely low mortality rate. This Delta variant is very contagious. But they left out IN KIDS, NOT IN ADULTS. And again, what is its mortality rate. Oops, again left out. How many in Australia(or Americans) have been infected and have survived? How many people who are immune to the covid virus, have been infected with this new variant? Kind of important.

Now I want you to think again. WHO ELSE COULD BE INFECTED BY THIS NEW VARIANT? It is a no-brainer. Everyone who is not immune to it. Including those already vaccinated. By saying that 99% of those infected with this new variant is meaningless, without including the numbers for comparison(like saying we're no.1). ANYONE WHO IS NOT IMMUNE TO THIS VARIANT, CAN BE INFECTED. ANYONE!! VACCINATED OR NOT!!! The message is, that you must rush to get vaccinated, to protect you from catching, not only Covid-19, but also every new variants that is discovered. Just more money-making fear mongering.

Just more nonsense. Just look at the recovery and mortality stats, and stop listening to these egocentric idiots. You wear useless masks. You distance yourself, even though people are constantly passing by you. You fear a disease that you have less chance of dying from than falling off a ladder or falling out of bed. You give up your privacy rights, and download location apps on your phones. I just can't believe that this is the same Australia that I love. Or, the same Australians that I knew.

I use to say what will it take? Now, I believe nothing. The government can do what it likes, and the majority of people will obey and rationalize. All you have to do is inform these children, that they will not be in office again, and this shit will end. I will continue to do my part to save what's left of Australia.
 

Texan

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Even the original strain has a mortality rate of less than 1% and that's mostly in the people with severe health issues associated with age, morbid obesity, and diabetes. I've said from the very beginning that we should be protecting our elderly and vulnerable and living our lives. At the start, we avoided my parents for months and only visited them in their front lawn. When my family got covid, we made sure my 89 year old mother in law stayed at my sister in laws house. Ever since we recovered, anytime someone gets the sniffles at my sister in law's house my mother in law would stay at our house because of our assumed immunity. We coordinated and protected our elderly and vulnerable. We were about to put her in a nursing home until the covid plandemic happened. We decided that home healthcare was a better option. It helps that my sister in law is a nurse. My parents and mother in law are now vaccinated, but we have been able to get together for the past year since recovering from covid and we only avoid them when someone in the house is sick or we are coming from public places where we may have touched many people. I went 4 months without hugging my Mom and I didn't like it.

I've known 3 people who have died from covid. 2 were in their early 60s, morbidly obese, with diabetes. The other was 72 and living with a transplanted heart for 9 years. I've had common colds that were worse than covid was for me.
 

SethBullock

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@Shellandshilo1956 In the U.S., 56% of the population has been vaccinated with one dose (partially vaccinated). 49% are fully vaccinated. Oregon's stats are 60% and 55%.

Reports are that 99% of people becoming infected with Covid, hospitalized, or dying, are unvaccinated.

It is true that the percentage of people in this country who have died is low. We have had 624,000 deaths attributed to Covid vs 29.3 million who have recovered from it. In a country of 330 million, well ... you can do the math.

Nevertheless, the efficacy of the vaccines seems to be strong. It appears that they are working. I assume that if the 99% number was fabricated, someone in the 50 states would be raising a stink, but I'm not seeing that. It would take an awful lot of people nationwide to participate in a conspiracy to lie to the American people. Until I see proof of some huge conspiracy involving massive fraud for some nefarious purpose, I'm going to conditionally trust these numbers.

Frankly, Shell, I don't care how lethal this virus is. What I want is to get back to normal. In Oregon we are back to normal. Everything is back to normal except health care facilities (masks required) and things the state cannot control, namely airports and air travel which are governed by the FAA. (I look forward to air travel without having to wear a mask.) Negative reactions to these vaccines have happened, but they represent a tiny fraction. If vaccinating gets us back to normal, I'm for it.
 

johnsmith

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I said, that the odds of having/running a successful business is NOT as great as the odds of winning a lottery. This means that the odds of you winning the lottery is much greater than you running a business. Your NEVER winning the lottery ONLY confirms this. Not disputes this.
you're confused.

The only thing worse than your poor comprehension, is that even when your error is pointed out to you, you still don't see it.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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@Shellandshilo1956 In the U.S., 56% of the population has been vaccinated with one dose (partially vaccinated). 49% are fully vaccinated. Oregon's stats are 60% and 55%.

Reports are that 99% of people becoming infected with Covid, hospitalized, or dying, are unvaccinated.

It is true that the percentage of people in this country who have died is low. We have had 624,000 deaths attributed to Covid vs 29.3 million who have recovered from it. In a country of 330 million, well ... you can do the math.

Nevertheless, the efficacy of the vaccines seems to be strong. It appears that they are working. I assume that if the 99% number was fabricated, someone in the 50 states would be raising a stink, but I'm not seeing that. It would take an awful lot of people nationwide to participate in a conspiracy to lie to the American people. Until I see proof of some huge conspiracy involving massive fraud for some nefarious purpose, I'm going to conditionally trust these numbers.

Frankly, Shell, I don't care how lethal this virus is. What I want is to get back to normal. In Oregon we are back to normal. Everything is back to normal except health care facilities (masks required) and things the state cannot control, namely airports and air travel which are governed by the FAA. (I look forward to air travel without having to wear a mask.) Negative reactions to these vaccines have happened, but they represent a tiny fraction. If vaccinating gets us back to normal, I'm for it.
Seth, this is what the government is counting on. They want you to do anything they tell you to get back the freedom they took from you(I warned you this would happen before). This is YOUR freedom. Just tell them you want it back, or look for another source of income. You don't have to bargain for it. You don't have to download locator apps(tracking devices), take whatever vaccines they tell you, whenever they tell you, or forced to carry a Covid-19-free passports with a locator chip, whenever you want to go abroad. It is your indifference, compliancy, and ignorance, that has enabled the government to do this in the first place. You are just being duped by all the fear-mongering and disinformation, that is constantly in your face. This low mortality virus, has given the government the excuse it needed, to track every citizen it wants. How important do you think this information could be? Can you think of ways it could easily be abused?

The efficacy of any vaccine is valid. But NOT when it is being forced or coerced. People have been developing their immunities against micro-organisms naturally, since the dawn of all mankind. Many have died, but the overwhelming majority of the species have survived. Again, stop listening to the paid media industry, and look at the stats. The stats don't lie, but people do.

Do you think the policy makers are affected by their own policies? Of course not. They are the exceptions to their own rules, and we just don't seem to care. Just take the time to send an email or a text to these pricks and assholes. And tell them that enough interference into your privacy is enough. That we will do whatever you say now, because we don't want to be fined put in jail, or unable to purchase goods. But in the next election your entire party will no longer be of service to us. Go fuck up someone else's life! And, then see just how quickly this will all end, and a new political spin will begin.

ports are that 99% of people becoming infected with Covid, hospitalized, or dying, are unvaccinated.
Of course Seth, it would be safe to say that 100% of all those infected with Covid-19, hospitalized, or dying were unvaccinated. WHO ELSE COULD BE INFECTED!!!? THOSE WHO ARE VACCINATED!!? DUH!! It doesn't matter if 100% of the population is infected(which is impossible anyway) with Covid-19 or its variants. All that matters is its mortality rate, and identifying those who are the most at risk. It doesn't matter if you are vaccinated or not. It only matters if you are immune or not. You can choose to develop your immunity by tricking your immune system(vaccinations), to believe that something is there that isn't. Or, you can choose to develop your immunity by fighting something that is actually there. The former comes with risk factors, the latter doesn't.

Also, being vaccinated doesn't prevent you from being infected by any virus. It simply gives the immune system an early warning against the antigen. So that it can attack sooner. That's it.

It is true that the percentage of people in this country who have died is low. We have had 624,000 deaths attributed to Covid vs 29.3 million who have recovered from it. In a country of 330 million, well ... you can do the math.
I can, and these are the results. This means that there are actually only 4.4M people still infected with Covid-19 in the US(1.1K people in Australia), and NOT the 34M that they keep throwing in your face(31K in Australia). This represents 1.3% of the population in the US(0.004% of the population of Australia). Those who recover naturally don't need vaccines, do they?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

Things may NEVER go back to normal again Seth. The damage is already done(certainly here in Australia). Many people have turned against those who refuse to be compliant, who refuse to keep their distance, and refuse to be vaccinated or wear masks. What about the hundreds of thousands of people who have no jobs to go back to? Or, the industries that may never recoup from their losses. I'm afraid the government has done more social and economic damage to society, than any mindless virus could ever do.

This is not a conspiracy theory Seth. This is about human nature. And, what power can do to real people in real-time. How many times do the government mention, that only 4.4M Americans still infected? How many times does the government distinguish between dying WITH Covid-19, and dying FROM Covid-19? Or, that the 29M who have recovered, DON'T NEED TO BE VACCINATED? Does the government explain why a micro-organism smaller than a ray of light is unaffected by the pore sizes of any mask your wear? Or, about how impossible it is to control distancing? Of course not!

Now you are just trying to pollute the waters with this distracting conspiracy conjecture. You have now become part of the problem. I don't give a shit what the governments motives are. Or, if there is or isn't a conspiracy. They have lied to our faces so many times, I don't believe anything out of their mouths. I only care about my freedom of choice and privacy. When they tread on that, then my voice will be heard. And, my voice is NOT alone.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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you're confused.

The only thing worse than your poor comprehension, is that even when your error is pointed out to you, you still don't see it.

John, please refer to post #60 on the thread "What a scumbag government Australia has!".

And, please refer all future comment and insults, to these other people who actually understand your gibberish.
 

SethBullock

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@Shellandshilo1956 Vaccines for illness are nothing new.

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical of what our governments do. In fact, it's healthy. But I think there is a line that can be crossed from healthy skepticism to a state of mind that rejects common sense.

If there is a conspiracy anywhere, in my opinion it is related to the whitewash of China's culpability in the whole pandemic. It's as if China has corrupted the whole world, and nobody wants to tell the truth.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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@Shellandshilo1956 Vaccines for illness are nothing new.

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical of what our governments do. In fact, it's healthy. But I think there is a line that can be crossed from healthy skepticism to a state of mind that rejects common sense.

If there is a conspiracy anywhere, in my opinion it is related to the whitewash of China's culpability in the whole pandemic. It's as if China has corrupted the whole world, and nobody wants to tell the truth.
Now you are just openly deflecting, Seth. You're better than this.

I don't give a shit if the virus came from China or Bum-fuck Egypt. I only care about what it can do. And, specifically how it affects me. Since a virus is not alive, no one can stop, control, or modify a complete virus. So placing blames serves no purpose. I'm sure the people in China did not want to cause a worldwide pandemic. This virus has done absolutely nothing to me. But the government has done everything to me.

All conspiracy theories are distractions. You can't prove anything. You can only imply everything. Therefore, just another distraction.

Skepticism is disbelief without the facts. I have the facts. So I am no longer skeptical. If only one person in Australia was infected by Covid-19, and only one person had died from it, would this fact justify shutting down our businesses and borders? Or, forcing people to wear masks, keep apart, or go into quarantine centers? Of course not.

What if the government said, that "..this virus was released from China, and countries all over the world are being infected..". "The WHO is now calling this a pandemic, and a hundred thousand Americans have already be infected..". How about now? What if they told you, that "some hospitals are being overrun in LA with Covid-19 patients, and there are accounts that the death toll will continue to rise.". Would this be enough to give up your freedoms and privacy here in Australia?

Just how many things are you NOT being told in these narratives? There is nothing that I have said that is actually dangerous to me. It is simply worded to sound like an impending doom is on the way. But when you stick to the facts, you can avoid reacting to this apocalyptic sounding fear mongering. We are only reacting to the rhetoric, and NOT the facts.
 
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SethBullock

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I got a series of text messages from a friend of mine today. He is 53 or 54. His sister is dying from Covid. She spent 3 weeks in the hospital and was getting better, so she went home. She was back in a week later, and she's now on a ventilator with only 30% lung function. My friend says it is only a matter of time now. She lives across the country, and he told her he loved her and said goodbye. He told me she has had an immune deficiency for years, but she chose not to be vaccinated.
 

SethBullock

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@Shellandshilo1956 Based upon our LE related discussions, I'm guessing that you are a bit older than me, and I am 66. I'm guessing you're in your mid-70s. If I were you, I would go ahead and get vaccinated.

One of the mistakes we make when we grow older is that we still think we are as hale and hearty as we were when we were in our 20s. Our bodies have aged, but our concept of ourselves hasn't. I am just as guilty of that as anyone, although I am constantly reminded that I am not in my 20s anymore by my aches and pains.

On other topics you brought up ...

Yes, it does matter that China lied about the origination of this virus, and it matters that the WHO and vassal world governments have helped them cover it all up. If the U.S. had done everything China did - lying, covering up, not warning the world - you and the rest of the world would be excoriating us, engaging in all kinds of conspiracy theories, and there would be investigations and blaming and fingerpointing. But it was China, and the truth is that we are all twisted in knots about China because of our economic ties (I think of it as being caught in a spider's web and not realizing it) with China. One thing this pandemic has proven is that we are afraid of China. All of us - worldwide - should not have sent that message to China, but that is exactly what we did. So yes, it matters.

People did lose their jobs because of the pandemic. But now, employers in the U.S. are begging for workers. Those jobs are back. Our politicians passed measures that gave extended unemployment benefits, and a lot of people simply want to keep receiving those checks rather than going back to work. When those checks are cut off, we're going to go back to near full employment.

I agree with you that some government control/intervention has gone overboard. I was aghast at the Australian police arresting a pregnant woman out of her house for trying to organize a public protest on social media. I thought that the Australian reaction to that - or lack thereof - epitomized the difference between the culture of Australia and the U.S. Furthermore, having been vaccinated, and knowing that anyone can get vaccinated who wishes to at this point, I have lost my tolerance for restrictions. When I recently flew to and from Virginia - a long cross-country flight - I resented having to wear a mask. That was a long-ass time to wear a friggin mask that included time in the terminal and a layover.

I've grown a little tired of being told that the virus can pass through the fibers of a mask. The virus is carried in the droplets that we breath out, and we know that masks inhibit those droplets. Surgeons and nurses have been wearing them for decades for that reason. We also saw a dramatic reduction in the common influenza virus infections during the pandemic, and it is logical to draw the conclusion that social distancing and mask wearing account for that reduction in infections.

The government knows that I have been vaccinated. Other than that, they cannot track me any more than they ever could. I still retain my freedom of movement and the other protections enumerated in the Bill of Rights. I find the assertion that the government is using the pandemic to take away my freedom to be lacking in real world evidence. A little surprising coming from you, for that belief is espoused more by the whacky right wing rather than the whacky left wing. In the U.S. there are dozens of ways the government can track you. They didn't need a pandemic to create a way to track you. To be frank, I am much more concerned about the political left in this country and their efforts to infringe upon our Constitutional right to free speech as well as our other rights.

OK, that's it for now.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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One of the mistakes we make when we grow older is that we still think we are as hale and hearty as we were when we were in our 20s. Our bodies have aged, but our concept of ourselves hasn't. I am just as guilty of that as anyone, although I am constantly reminded that I am not in my 20s anymore by my aches and pains.
Wow, well this is a new tact. A "geriatric attack" Seth? I have no illusions regarding my physical limitations. So, I agree, that I won't be winning any marathons anymore, and my participation in sports is now limited to reaching for the tv remote. But, my cognitive functions are just fine thank you.

Yes, it does matter that China lied about the origination of this virus, and it matters that the WHO and vassal world governments have helped them cover it all up. If the U.S. had done everything China did - lying, covering up, not warning the world - you and the rest of the world would be excoriating us, engaging in all kinds of conspiracy theories, and there would be investigations and blaming and fingerpointing. But it was China, and the truth is that we are all twisted in knots about China because of our economic ties (I think of it as being caught in a spider's web and not realizing it) with China. One thing this pandemic has proven is that we are afraid of China. All of us - worldwide - should not have sent that message to China, but that is exactly what we did. So yes, it matters.
Even if China did all of these things, SO WHAT! What does any of this have to do with the policies that this government is forcing its citizens to follow? The only thing this pandemic has proven to me, is just how compliant, indifferent, lazy, apathetic and ignorant many people really are.

People did lose their jobs because of the pandemic. But now, employers in the U.S. are begging for workers. Those jobs are back. Our politicians passed measures that gave extended unemployment benefits, and a lot of people simply want to keep receiving those checks rather than going back to work. When those checks are cut off, we're going to go back to near full employment.
People lost their jobs, not because of any virus, but because of government policies and its forced restrictions. It is these policies and restrictions, that have forced many businesses to close down. Do you think that the thousands of businesses that have gone into insolvency, or receivership, will just start up again after a year? These businesses are gone forever. These jobs are also gone forever. What good would it be to invest the time and money to start-up any new businesses again? When the next person who test positive for Covid-19(or any future manufactured threat), will quickly end your hopes and dreams.

I agree with you that some government control/intervention has gone overboard. I was aghast at the Australian police arresting a pregnant woman out of her house for trying to organize a public protest on social media. I thought that the Australian reaction to that - or lack thereof - epitomized the difference between the culture of Australia and the U.S. Furthermore, having been vaccinated, and knowing that anyone can get vaccinated who wishes to at this point, I have lost my tolerance for restrictions. When I recently flew to and from Virginia - a long cross-country flight - I resented having to wear a mask. That was a long-ass time to wear a friggin mask that included time in the terminal and a layover.
Actually, there are many clear differences between Americans, and Australians. There are a growing numbers of people who resent all governments intrusion into their private lives. Masks are placebos, and distancing is impossible. It is a simplistic and knee-jerk over-reaction, to a manufactured over-hyped threat. All designed to create panic and uncertainty.

I've grown a little tired of being told that the virus can pass through the fibers of a mask. The virus is carried in the droplets that we breath out, and we know that masks inhibit those droplets. Surgeons and nurses have been wearing them for decades for that reason. We also saw a dramatic reduction in the common influenza virus infections during the pandemic, and it is logical to draw the conclusion that social distancing and mask wearing account for that reduction in infections.
This is NOT rocket science Seth. The coronavirus is three times smaller, than the smallest pore size on even the best mask. FACT! The LARGEST group of professionals infected by the Covid-19 virus, are those of the medical healthcare profession. These are the people who are treating those infected with the virus. FACT! Do you really think that these professionals, have NOT caught flus and colds from their patients, in decades? Really?? Even if their masks inhibited most of the large droplet carrying the virus, some of the atomized droplets that are suspended in the air, will certainly pass through the pores. FACT! Small droplets of expectorants can also be breathed in through the sides of ill-fitting masks. And, ALL commercial masks are ill-fitting. FACT!! Finally, the virus can certainly reach the respiratory system through the eyes(tear ducts). These are NOT usually covered. This is all just common sense!

People who refuse to listen to the truth, are the very definition of being closed minded. Since both the SARS-Cov-2 and all the other flu coronaviruses are so similar in structure and function, I am not surprised by this reduction in the normal flu infections. But remember, these numbers are only reduced, NOT erased. People are still catching the flu.

Speaking of common sense Seth. Do you think that it is possible to be 2 meters apart from anyone in a year? You are standing in a line at McDonalds. Everyone is 2 meters apart. Then people begin passing between you, or bumps into you? What about the virus that is already suspended in the air?

The government knows that I have been vaccinated. Other than that, they cannot track me any more than they ever could. I still retain my freedom of movement and the other protections enumerated in the Bill of Rights. I find the assertion that the government is using the pandemic to take away my freedom to be lacking in real world evidence. A little surprising coming from you, for that belief is espoused more by the whacky right wing rather than the whacky left wing. In the U.S. there are dozens of ways the government can track you. They didn't need a pandemic to create a way to track you. To be frank, I am much more concerned about the political left in this country and their efforts to infringe upon our Constitutional right to free speech as well as our other rights.
The government knows more than that, Seth. They certainly know your name, address, and personal details. Once it has your mobile number, it can track you anywhere you go. Even the minute you leave your home. It is true in the States that Covid-19 restrictions have either been lifted or eased. But it wasn't always that way. So, other than for travelers returning/visiting the US, your freedoms are no longer infringed.

But in Australia its different. The children are in charge. And the babies do exactly what they are told. Australia doesn't have a Bill of Rights to protect the people from the government suspending their personal freedoms. If anyone tests positive for Covid-19, they go into quarantine, and the entire State shuts down in response. Bugger the consequences and repercussions.

You can't enter stores to buy goods, unless you give your details, swipe your mobile QR code, and must wear a mask. It doesn't matter if you were vaccinated, have recovered, or have tested negative for this virus. No one is exempt. Except of course children. Which is ironic considering that 4,469 kids between 0-19 yo have been infected(13% of total infected). This is MORE than the 3,769 adults over 70 yo, who have been infected(11% of total infected). So, what's the go with that? I guess keeping kids at home would indeed be political suicide.

As I've said before Seth, I've worked in both Brisbane and Sidney's police communications centers. If I have your mobile phone number, I can track you as long as you have your phone with you. If I don't, I can call your provider and get your number. With this, I can easily map your daily locations the minute you leave home. Of course I would need a court order, but that can be just a phone call away, for the right people. So NOT fiction Seth, this is fact.
 

SethBullock

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Wow, well this is a new tact. A "geriatric attack" Seth? I have no illusions regarding my physical limitations. So, I agree, that I won't be winning any marathons anymore, and my participation in sports is now limited to reaching for the tv remote. But, my cognitive functions are just fine thank you.



Even if China did all of these things, SO WHAT! What does any of this have to do with the policies that this government is forcing its citizens to follow? The only thing this pandemic has proven to me, is just how compliant, indifferent, lazy, apathetic and ignorant many people really are.



People lost their jobs, not because of any virus, but because of government policies and its forced restrictions. It is these policies and restrictions, that have forced many businesses to close down. Do you think that the thousands of businesses that have gone into insolvency, or receivership, will just start up again after a year? These businesses are gone forever. These jobs are also gone forever. What good would it be to invest the time and money to start-up any new businesses again? When the next person who test positive for Covid-19(or any future manufactured threat), will quickly end your hopes and dreams.



Actually, there are many clear differences between Americans, and Australians. There are a growing numbers of people who resent all governments intrusion into their private lives. Masks are placebos, and distancing is impossible. It is a simplistic and knee-jerk over-reaction, to a manufactured over-hyped threat. All designed to create panic and uncertainty.



This is NOT rocket science Seth. The coronavirus is three times smaller, than the smallest pore size on even the best mask. FACT! The LARGEST group of professionals infected by the Covid-19 virus, are those of the medical healthcare profession. These are the people who are treating those infected with the virus. FACT! Do you really think that these professionals, have NOT caught flus and colds from their patients, in decades? Really?? Even if their masks inhibited most of the large droplet carrying the virus, some of the atomized droplets that are suspended in the air, will certainly pass through the pores. FACT! Small droplets of expectorants can also be breathed in through the sides of ill-fitting masks. And, ALL commercial masks are ill-fitting. FACT!! Finally, the virus can certainly reach the respiratory system through the eyes(tear ducts). These are NOT usually covered. This is all just common sense!

People who refuse to listen to the truth, are the very definition of being closed minded. Since both the SARS-Cov-2 and all the other flu coronaviruses are so similar in structure and function, I am not surprised by this reduction in the normal flu infections. But remember, these numbers are only reduced, NOT erased. People are still catching the flu.

Speaking of common sense Seth. Do you think that it is possible to be 2 meters apart from anyone in a year? You are standing in a line at McDonalds. Everyone is 2 meters apart. Then people begin passing between you, or bumps into you? What about the virus that is already suspended in the air?



The government knows more than that, Seth. They certainly know your name, address, and personal details. Once it has your mobile number, it can track you anywhere you go. Even the minute you leave your home. It is true in the States that Covid-19 restrictions have either been lifted or eased. But it wasn't always that way. So, other than for travelers returning/visiting the US, your freedoms are no longer infringed.

But in Australia its different. The children are in charge. And the babies do exactly what they are told. Australia doesn't have a Bill of Rights to protect the people from the government suspending their personal freedoms. If anyone tests positive for Covid-19, they go into quarantine, and the entire State shuts down in response. Bugger the consequences and repercussions.

You can't enter stores to buy goods, unless you give your details, swipe your mobile QR code, and must wear a mask. It doesn't matter if you were vaccinated, have recovered, or have tested negative for this virus. No one is exempt. Except of course children. Which is ironic considering that 4,469 kids between 0-19 yo have been infected(13% of total infected). This is MORE than the 3,769 adults over 70 yo, who have been infected(11% of total infected). So, what's the go with that? I guess keeping kids at home would indeed be political suicide.

As I've said before Seth, I've worked in both Brisbane and Sidney's police communications centers. If I have your mobile phone number, I can track you as long as you have your phone with you. If I don't, I can call your provider and get your number. With this, I can easily map your daily locations the minute you leave home. Of course I would need a court order, but that can be just a phone call away, for the right people. So NOT fiction Seth, this is fact.
I agree with you about the phones. I've read some interesting books recently about how our intelligence agencies work and what they can do with phones. For example, when the CIA was searching for Carlos Escobar, they could zero in on his phone when he used it. They could listen to his phone conversations. And Carlos and his associates would often turn their phones off when not in use. The CIA could turn them back on without their knowledge and listen to them talk face to face with each other.

The ways the government can track us are almost too numerous to list. Phones are just one of the ways. The conspiracy theory that "they" created a pandemic to track us is silly in my opinion.

Shell, I realize that masks and social distancing do not 100% prevent the disease from spreading. I do think the evidence is that they prevent it to some lesser percentage. I don't know what that percentage is, but I do think they have some effect.

I agree with you on a distinct difference between Australian culture and American culture.

I disagree with you that the jobs and businesses will not come back. The law of supply and demand will see to that. People in my area are enjoying doing the things they couldn't do for over a year. The airline business, as just one example, is booming. Where there is a demand, businesses will spring up to meet that demand, and that, of course, means increased employment.

The relationship of the world with China is off-topic if we are only talking about the virus itself, masks, social distancing, vaccinating, and so forth. But the rise of the pandemic reveals a lot about how the world relates to China, and I see fear. The root of that fear is our economic and material dependence on China. We are so twisted up in this economic web, that we willingly accept Chinese lies and obfuscation in a desperate effort not to offend and not to upset the economic apple cart. I find this worrisome for the future.

More than ever, I wish the U.S. would disincentivize U.S. companies from manufacturing in China and, instead, incentivize manufacturing in the U.S. and other countries in the western hemisphere, especially in Central America. This overdependence on China is dangerous - a matter of national security, in my opinion.
 

Squire

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The US has done nothing at all in the field of economic development for South America for decades if not a century.

South America has become a military playground for Uncle Sam's spooks.
 
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