As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine significantly lowers transmission?

Biggles53

New member
Do you even understand why even many doctors and healthcare workers refuse vaccinations?
And some teachers, ambulance workers, and policemen probably. Yes, because there are a few nut jobs in every profession. I remember, for example, tobacco companies finding doctors who testified that smoking causes no harm back in the 70s…
 

Biggles53

New member
I seriously doubt that you can teach me any math that I don't already know.
Ummmmmm……you probably can’t see the nonsense in that statement, can you…? Why would I need to teach you something that you “already know”……???

But, the offer is there nonetheless….can’t promise that you’ll grasp complex numbers, conics, induction or 3D Cartesian geometry….but maybe I can help you with your times tables and basic fractions…?
 

chris155au

Active member
Ummmm (again)….yes it is! It’s even more significant if it’s a Pfizer vaxxed person….

Ok….baby steps.

You are an unvaccinated, uninfected person. You are standing in between 2 others. Both of them are infected with the virus, but one has been vaccinated and the other hasn’t.

Which one would you most prefer moved away from you…?
"You are an unvaccinated, uninfected person." Why "unvaccinated" in this scenario?
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Yes, I thought there was a basic numeracy problem….

WHERE do you get the idea that ALL of the Australian population is going to be subject to a mandate…? From what I see and understand, the requirement is for people in certain occupations to be vaccinated…! And even they have a choice, albeit a Hobson’s choice….if they want to scream like children throwing a tantrum in a supermarket aisle “my rights, my rights…!” then fine….find another line of work!
Only a moron would think that these preliminary Covid-19 mandates, will NOT eventually be extended to include every man, woman, child, and even pets in Australia. And I get it. You don't give a shit about the opinions and lives of others(justified or not). If your child is put in jail for not wearing a mask while jogging in the park, fuck'em. If a pseudo-cop health enforcer tells you to move further apart while standing in a line, fuck'em. If the Gestapo comes to your wedding party and give everyone $5,000 health violation fines, fuck'em. If thousands of businesses are forced to close their doors, fuck'em. Even if the government encourages Australians to dob on other Australia, fuck'em. If thousands of Australians have lost their primary livelihood, fuck'em. They're all just a bunch of whingers, bitching about their rights, RIGHT??? Archie Bunker must be your favorite actor.

I live in your community…your decisions impact upon me and others.
You are definitely NOT a part of my community. And, how does my decision NOT to be vaccinated impact on YOUR decision to be vaccinated? In what way am I stopping you from being vaccinated?

By resisting that which the vast majority of your fellows (not to mention scientific evidence!) support.
Since you didn't address any of my questions, you wouldn't have a clue what scientific evidence is! Let alone to understand it. Science tells you to your face, that it will use a monkey vector, to to carry a genetic program, to make muscle cells produce spikes, to trick the immune system to make only spike-specific antibodies. And you're okay with this? Clearly, knowing the science seems irrelevant to its implications.

The vast majority of my fellows believe in fairytales and angels. The ad populum argument is only a fallacy. Truth is not based on the consensus beliefs of the masses. Right? Do we really need to look throughout history for some obvious examples of this?

They aren’t. Strawman. They threaten other unvaccinated people…!
I was talking about the right of choice. How do unvaccinated people threaten the choice of people who want to be vaccinated? They don't. They don't give a shit what you chose to do. But you seem to be threatened by those who chose NOT to be vaccinated. In terms of being infected, anyone who breathes air, and has a heartbeat, can be infected.

Yes, I do. Test me….
Yes, I do. Test me…
ep. Put it in the test…
Oh yes! That will probably have to be a separate test of its own, but go ahead….
Then answer the questions that have already been asked. I'm all ears!

Make up your mind…guilt shame or force…? They’re two different things…
You call people who are against being forced to stick something in their arms, WHINERS AND WHINGERS. Thus shaming them. You characterize unvaccinated people as being selfish, and NOT being part of their community. Thus, making them feel guilty. Then you agree with all restrictions that are forcing unvaccinated people to be vaccinated. So I'd say that guilt, shaming, and forcing, are all applicable. Oh, and they are THREE different things. Though not sure of the relevance here!!

And some teachers, ambulance workers, and policemen probably. Yes, because there are a few nut jobs in every profession. I remember, for example, tobacco companies finding doctors who testified that smoking causes no harm back in the 70s…
So because some doctors 50 years ago agreed that the tobacco industry's position was INCONCLUSIVE at best, we should ignore the dissenting opinions of doctors and other health professionals today? And, this sounds rational to you?? Do you even have a clue what the percentage of dissention among this group is? Of course not!! As long as you can label them all as nut-cases, you can keep clinging to your self-serving narrative.

What is ironic and sad, is that you don't need to be a doctor, to acquire a basic understanding of vaccines, the immune system, antibodies and pathogens. It is NOT rocket science. But I guess it is always easier to let others think for you, than to think for yourself. Right?

Hard to wade through that grammatical minefield, but I think I understand the premise….what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, is that it..?
Well I guess this tells me everything that I need to know about your shallow depth of knowledge. Especially, if you think this simple question is a grammatical minefield. So the answer is NO!!

Do you understand ‘hyperbole’ and the limitations of its use….?
Are you saying that I am just exaggerating what these health restrictions, laws, quarantines, fines, etc., are doing to Australia, and its people? Oh, and yes I know what a 'hyperbole' means. But I didn't know that there were limitations of the use of the word. Perhaps, you can give me an example of the word's limitations?

Ummmmmm……you probably can’t see the nonsense in that statement, can you…? Why would I need to teach you something that you “already know”……???

But, the offer is there nonetheless….can’t promise that you’ll grasp complex numbers, conics, induction or 3D Cartesian geometry….but maybe I can help you with your times tables and basic fractions…?
Now you are just being silly. Since you mentioned solid geometry and conic sections, I assume you have some design experience in some area of engineering. I'm fine with basic math, conic sections, geometry, trig, determinants, linear algebra, and complex and imaginary numbers. But lets just skip the basics, and start with differential calculus. Including differential equations. I may have forgotten a few things, but the rules will all come back to me with your help. Especially, the rules for partial integrations/differentiation. Although NOT my area of expertise, finding the solution to these equations gave me years of satisfaction. Did you know that ALL math is based on ADDITION! No matter how complex it is?
 

Biggles53

New member
Only a moron would think that these preliminary Covid-19 mandates, will NOT eventually be extended to include every man, woman, child, and even pets in Australia.
So, as I suspected, all you have is yet another worthless conspiracy theory…

You have ZERO evidence for mandates extending beyond particular occupational categories. All you have is hyperbolic blather….what a surprise…!
 

Biggles53

New member
So because some doctors 50 years ago agreed that the tobacco industry's position was INCONCLUSIVE at best, we should ignore the dissenting opinions of doctors and other health professionals today?
No, it’s evidence that, as I plainly stated, that there are fringe-dwellers in any profession…those who, because of their own tightly held belief structures, are prepared to ignore the evidence before them.
 

Biggles53

New member
Alright. Well in answer to your question, I would MARGINALLY rather be around the vaccinated person. But what is your point?
The ‘point’ is that, finally after 7 pages you have answered your own question…! You have been brought to the determination that, yes, being vaccinated reduces the likelihood of transmitting the virus…well done…!
 

mothra

Administrator
Staff member
Do you really think that any responsible government will just let a family starve to death, because their kid is NOT immunized? Think!

Are you for real? People are cut off benefits every single day and left with nothing, kids or not.

Responsible government my arse. You've no idea.
 
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