chris155au
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What is the evidence that they provide ANY immunity?
As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine significantly lowers transmission?
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What is your definition of “immunity”?
chris155au
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Protection from infection.
Protection from infection or protection from the effects of infection?
chris155au
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Protection from infection, just as I said.
Okay, so Covid vaccines don’t give protection from infection. They reduce the impact of the symptoms. That’s what happened to me. I was fully vaccinated when I got Covid, but I have had ordinary flu before that was worse. My symptoms were mild. 5 days after I tested positive I couldn’t even tell I had been sick.
Then you clearly do not understand what immunity means.
Nothing can protect you from being infected. However, the level of immunity of a person is a measure of how well they can resist the impact of that infection.
For example, there is nothing preventing me from ingesting the pertussis (whooping cough) bacteria, or the rubella virus tomorrow, I could breathe either of them in, or take them in my food or drink. But, the chances of me becoming ill are extremely low, because I have been previously vaccinated for both of those diseases. My immune system has been ‘trained’ to recognise and produce antibodies to fight those bugs, thanks to the vaccine that was introduced into my bloodstream many years ago…
For example, there is nothing preventing me from ingesting the pertussis (whooping cough) bacteria, or the rubella virus tomorrow, I could breathe either of them in, or take them in my food or drink. But, the chances of me becoming ill are extremely low, because I have been previously vaccinated for both of those diseases. My immune system has been ‘trained’ to recognise and produce antibodies to fight those bugs, thanks to the vaccine that was introduced into my bloodstream many years ago…
chris155au
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Yes, so you agree that the New York Governor is talking out of her ass? (From the opening post of this thread.)
chris155au
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Do you recognise that COVID vaccines do not give the same level of protection from infection that other vaccines do?
Again, your terminology is poor… NO vaccine prevents an individual from being infected. What they do, to varying degrees of efficiency, is to a) promote immunity by activating your body’s disease-fighting cells and b) importantly, to reduce the levels of transmission of the virus which causes the disease. The latter effect is that which is commonly referred to as herd immunity……or herd ‘mentality’ if you possess a Trumpian intellect…
chris155au
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Yes, and do you recognise that COVID vaccines do not give the same level of protection from infection that other vaccines do?
greggerypeccary
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That's an oxymoron.
As with most vaccines, the efficacy with which they promote immunity is better than some and on a par with others. Depending upon which of the ‘big 4’ you choose, the efficacy ranges between 75 and 90+%. By comparison, the COVID vaccines are better at promoting immunity than the flu vaccine and the TB vaccine (around 40 to 60%) and are on a par with the MMR suite of vaccines.
The key, of course, is not only to aim for personal protection, but to also achieve the herd immunity referred to earlier.
Good call…!
chris155au
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Where are you getting those efficacy rates from?
Shellandshilo1956
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This is an example of what happens when we are told what to think! Why are unvaccinated people a threat to vaccinated people? Are we talking about maybe threats, probable threats, or possible threats? Are we not just making the assumption, that unvaccinated people, IF INFECTED, will be MORE symptomatic than those vaccinated? This is a blatant fallacy. Especially since it is ONLY the condition of the immune system, that determines just how symptomatic you will be. NOT whether we are vaccinated or not!! I thought that the only people who are a threat to anyone, were only those infected with Covid-19. Period! So again how does vaccinated and unvaccinated people pose a threat to each other??
Both groups can, and do go through the same symptomatic and asymptomatic stages when infected. Both groups can, and do catch the disease. Both groups can, and do recover or die from the disease. Both groups can, and do spread or transmit the disease. And, both groups can, and do develop immunity to the disease.
Unless we are referring to the term "immunity" in the legal sense(protection and exemption), PROTECTION/PREVENTION does not apply in the biological/specific sense. NO VACCINE IN THE WORLD CAN PROTECT/PREVENT YOU FROM BEING INFECTED, TRANSMITTING, OR DYING FROM ANY INFECTION!! NONE! Holding your breath may also provide some small level of protection. So "protection is too vague a term. Also "significant" is another vague term, that could mean different things to different people.
"Immunity" simply means that the body has acquired the ability to resist anything that didn't come with it, or is trying to attack it. As far as studies showing decreased transmission rates, here are some more facts for you to deny and dismiss. Using more semantics or questions.
The ONLY purpose of vaccines is to prevent people from getting really sick with a viral infection. Vaccines trick(by different means) our immune system into producing antibodies to fight against a fake pathogen/antigen. So that when the real pathogen/antigen enter the body, these antibodies will respond sooner(since they are already in the bloodstream). I call this acquired immune ability, "increased spontaneity". But if your immune system is fucked or otherwise compromised, it doesn't matter how soon the system can respond!
What ignorant and gullible people fail to understand, is that as long as you breathe air, you can catch this virus. Nothing can prevent this. Unless, you live at the bottom of the ocean, in a self-contained suit. Or, that vaccine-induced antibodies are ONLY specific to ONE pathogen/antigen. Which will leave fewer of our normal broad-spectral antibodies to fight against all other pathogens that attack.
Vaccine mandates are only based on getting the best returns out of the government's drug company investments. The more men, women, children, and pets that are forced to get vaccinated, the more profits are to be made.
Sit. Stay. Good Boy.
no, it's not
chris155au
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Compared to ANY vaccines which have come before it?
