As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine significantly lowers transmission?

Shellandshilo1956

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I am certain that it was spreading through the class, and I caught it from one of the students.

Now, before anybody asks, I don't know the vaccination status of the students.

The point I was trying to make is that once I was infected, I didn't spread it to anyone close to me.
Sorry, I was thrown off by your mentioning that 25% of your class tested positive for Covid-19. Or, seeing 20 students one at a time for 15-20 minutes. I guess I just didn't see the connection. Thanks for clearing that up.

If your immune system allows you to become symptomatic(coughing, sneezing, or kissing), then you can spread this virus. Whether you are vaccinated or unvaccinated. Simply having a high temp won't spread this virus. Resting, taking decongestants, antihistamines, drinking plenty of fluids, and even taking antiviral and antibiotics medications if necessary, will reduce your chances of becoming symptomatic. But nothing will stop you from being infected. Viruses don't care if you are vaccinated or not, or have recovered or not. They are natures true equal opportunity pathogens.
 

SethBullock

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Sorry, I was thrown off by your mentioning that 25% of your class tested positive for Covid-19. Or, seeing 20 students one at a time for 15-20 minutes. I guess I just didn't see the connection. Thanks for clearing that up.

If your immune system allows you to become symptomatic(coughing, sneezing, or kissing), then you can spread this virus. Whether you are vaccinated or unvaccinated. Simply having a high temp won't spread this virus. Resting, taking decongestants, antihistamines, drinking plenty of fluids, and even taking antiviral and antibiotics medications if necessary, will reduce your chances of becoming symptomatic. But nothing will stop you from being infected. Viruses don't care if you are vaccinated or not, or have recovered or not. They are natures true equal opportunity pathogens.
In my case I didn’t spread it to anyone close to me even though I interacted with them normally for days before I knew I was sick.
The OP asks if there is any shred of evidence. Well here’s a shred of evidence.

 

Shellandshilo1956

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In my case I didn’t spread it to anyone close to me even though I interacted with them normally for days before I knew I was sick.
The OP asks if there is any shred of evidence. Well here’s a shred of evidence.

Anyone who is asymptomatic will not spread the virus to anyone. How would you transmit this virus to anyone? By thought? It may take up to 6 days before any symptoms will develop. But our immune system may take minutes to days(innate), or days to weeks(adaptive), to kick in. Everything depends on the condition of our immune system. This is the only factor.

I have no problems with normal vaccines. But I do have a problem with these new and cheaper genetic-inducing vaccines. These vaccines use animal vectors to transfer genetic instructions into normal healthy cells. This new method produces a vaccine, that is designed to induce the immune system to produce only antigen-specific antibodies(spikes). NOT pathogen-non-specific antibodies(entire virus). These vaccine-induced high affinity antibodies will, over time, out compete with our normal broad-spectrum low-affinity antibodies.

Remember, our immune system just doesn't fight against viruses only. It responds to anything that didn't come with the original package. Everything from poisonous gases, to tooth decay, to a simple cut. It would even attack the fetus(Lupus), if it were not suppressed.


I certainly agree that people who are vaccinated specifically with this strain of Covid-19, will certainly be less likely to spread this virus. This is because you don't have to wait for these specific antibodies to be made by the immune system. They would already be in the bloodstream. This would certainly decrease the likelihood of symptoms appearing. Other than a fever.

But for anyone with a normal healthy immune system, simply taking decongestants and antihistamines would also decrease the likelihood of symptoms appearing. Thus, reducing their likelihood of spreading this virus. Maybe this is why over 80% of all Covid-19 sufferers report mild to no symptoms at all. Victims simply take over the counter meds, like we've done for decades with all the other viruses.

It is easy to assume causes based only on the effects.
 

mothra

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Again, I never said that he did. Which is why I asked him the question to find out, IF MY ASSUMPTION WAS CORRECT. He cleared that up for me, thank you.
So the facts stand that Seth, fully vaccinated, contracted the disease while at work but owing to his vaccination status, had a very mild reaction and did not spread it to his immediate loved ones who he was in close proximity with when he was contagious.

INCLUDING a cherished elder member of the family ... who is okay, thankfully.

Now Shell... what are you struggling with? This twists and turns and outright misrepresentations you've made since Seth told his story are truly remarkable. You even liked his story, thinking it said what you wanted it to say. And battle you've done since, over what you thought it said; what you wanted it to say.

Now? What do YOU say? Now that you've at least conceded the facts.
 

chris155au

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Yes and what is the evidence that the COVID vaccines protect against spread?
Really…? Don’t be lazy. This took me 10 seconds…

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

"Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time. In people infected 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, both in the UK, the chance that an unvaccinated close contact would test positive was 57%, but 3 months later, that chance rose to 67%. The latter figure is on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus.

A reduction was also observed in people vaccinated with the jab made by US company Pfizer and German firm BioNTech. The risk of spreading the Delta infection soon after vaccination with that jab was 42%, but increased to 58% with time."
 

Shellandshilo1956

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So the facts stand that Seth, fully vaccinated, contracted the disease while at work but owing to his vaccination status, had a very mild reaction and did not spread it to his immediate loved ones who he was in close proximity with when he was contagious.
You have no idea how he contracted the virus. You have no idea if he has spread the virus to anyone else. You have no idea if being vaccinated caused his mild symptoms, or if it was caused by his natural immune response. Even most unvaccinated victims report only having mild symptoms.

The only mode of transmission of this virus, is in the symptoms produced by our immune response. That's it. If you feel any flu symptoms, just take the medications to control and ease the symptoms. Let your natural immune system do the rest.

Now Shell... what are you struggling with? This twists and turns and outright misrepresentations you've made since Seth told his story are truly remarkable. You even liked his story, thinking it said what you wanted it to say. And battle you've done since, over what you thought it said; what you wanted it to say.
I certainly make mistakes. And, I certainly sometimes make the wrong assumptions. But your reaction is way over the top. I never thought that I was that important. Was these the comment that led to your Eureka moment?

"Well you have definitely demonstrated that even fully vaccinated people can not only become infected with Covid-19, but can also spread it to others.". And,

"How do you know that you were the source of the others becoming infected?".

I was responding to his comment,

"Over the next few days, 25% of the class I had worked with reported that they had tested positive. The whole class was sent home and postponed for about a month. There might have been more who got sick who just never got tested or reported it.".

Could this be interpreted as him having infecting a member of his class, after a few days later? I certainly did. Was this a poor assumption? Since he doesn't know for certain where he was infected, not a poor assumption. The point was, that vaccinated people can be infected with this virus. And this point was verified. Also, whether you are vaccinated or not, if you are symptomatic, you can spread this virus.

Now? What do YOU say? Now that you've at least conceded the facts.
How old are you?
 

mothra

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Face it. You got caught out displaying extreme cognitive bias. You were called on it. No point sulking.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Face it. You got caught out displaying extreme cognitive bias. You were called on it. No point sulking.
So you are just ignoring my explanation of why I misinterpreted Seth's comments. And, is now mischaracterizing this misinterpretation as an, "extreme cognitive bias", that I was caught-out trying to hide.

Firstly, I don't try to hide anything. Secondly, I can only learn from my mistakes. So I am not terrified at being wrong about anything. Thirdly, this conversation had nothing to do with you. You're just a troll with your own hateful agenda. This certainly says more about your own insecurities, than it does about mine.

But you are delusional if you think that, "being caught out" by you or anyone else here would ever have me sulking. So, again, just how old are you?? And, why does my reasonable misunderstanding give you so much joy?
 
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