⮞⮞ No Charges of 'Terrorism' or 'Insurrection' for Jan. 6 'RIOTERS' ⮜⮜

greggerypeccary

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As recently as December, in an interview with The Associated Press, Cruz said that on Jan. 6, 2021, "we saw a terrorist attack on the Capitol."
Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell has described the attack in similar terms. "American citizens attacked their own government," he told the Senate after it acquitted Trump in its impeachment trial. "They used terrorism to try to stop a specific piece of domestic business they did not like."
 

greggerypeccary

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Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell has described the attack in similar terms. "American citizens attacked their own government," he told the Senate after it acquitted Trump in its impeachment trial. "They used terrorism to try to stop a specific piece of domestic business they did not like."
There is nothing surprising about that characterization. The FBI defines domestic terrorism as "Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature." In the Jan. 6 attack, Trump supporters stormed the Capitol in an effort to halt the peaceful transition of power and certification of President Joe Biden's win.
 

DreamRyderX

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January 6th was shocking only because of where it happened. And it’s shocking that a rabble of idiots thought that they were doing something that was right. And it is also shocking that a U.S. President rallied them right before they did what they did.

The legal definition of terrorism may fit technically for some individuals involved in this event. But the countless examples of what we usually term as “terrorism” that we have all seen in the past are characterized by the mass murder of civilians using guns, bombs, and on 9/11, airplanes.

Sorry ... There are a lot of labels I could attach to January 6th, but not “terrorism”.
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With absolutely no disrespect whatsoever, I'm borrowing parts of what you posted Seth, but if you feel it is in any way inappropriate, please PM me, & I will honor your wishes.

I also feel that the legal definition of terrorism may fit technically for some......not me, but the countless examples of what we usually term as “terrorism” ......... that we have all seen in the past ........ are most often characterized by the mass murder of innocent civilians.


And I also feel un-apologetically that there are a lot of labels that some might attach to January 6th, but IMHO it absolutely was not “terrorism”.

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DreamRyderX

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@JimPeccary & GreggeryLahey

Carry on talkin' to yerself, eventually you may find comon ground with your inner-other.....
 

SethBullock

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With absolutely no disrespect whatsoever, I'm borrowing parts of what you posted Seth, but if you feel it is in any way inappropriate, please PM me, & I will honor your wishes.

I also feel that the legal definition of terrorism may fit technically for some......not me, but the countless examples of what we usually term as “terrorism” ......... that we have all seen in the past ........ are most often characterized by the mass murder of innocent civilians.

And I also feel un-apologetically that there are a lot of labels that some might attach to January 6th, but IMHO it absolutely was not “terrorism”.


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You can borrow from my words. I have no problem. I've gotten ideas and words from other people before. No worries.
 

greggerypeccary

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Terrorism isn't defined by the amount of casualties - that's a common misconception many people have.

The same people often believe that someone must be poor in order to be a refugee - another misconception.

A terrorist attack can involve no deaths at all, and a refugee can be a multi-millionaire.

Those are the facts.

One's own personal beliefs don't come into it.

January 6, at Capitol Hill, was a terrorist attack led by Trump and his MAGA Republicans - no amount of personal belief can change that fact.
 

SethBullock

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Terrorism isn't defined by the amount of casualties - that's a common misconception many people have.

The same people often believe that someone must be poor in order to be a refugee - another misconception.

A terrorist attack can involve no deaths at all, and a refugee can be a multi-millionaire.

Those are the facts.

One's own personal beliefs don't come into it.

January 6, at Capitol Hill, was a terrorist attack led by Trump and his MAGA Republicans - no amount of personal belief can change that fact.
I can see where what happened fits into the legal definition of terrorism. What it doesn't fit into, however, is the common conception of a terrorist attack. Furthermore, most people do not call the participants in a riot after police shoot a black suspect (justified or not) "terrorists".

And yet, it fits the legal definition that you quoted:

"Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature."

A riot like that, or the crimes of Antifa fascists, also easily fit into that definition. And yet, we generally refrain from using words like "terrorist", "terrorism", or "insurrection", even when the actions of those groups fit the technical definitions of those words, if their actions don't fit into the common use and understanding of those words.

But, it is human nature that when you hate a group, you use the worst possible words to describe them. The examples of that are endless, and we see all sides of the political spectrum doing it.
 

greggerypeccary

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I can see where what happened fits into the legal definition of terrorism. What it doesn't fit into, however, is the common conception of a terrorist attack. Furthermore, most people do not call the participants in a riot after police shoot a black suspect (justified or not) "terrorists".

And yet, it fits the legal definition that you quoted:

"Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature."

A riot like that, or the crimes of Antifa fascists, also easily fit into that definition. And yet, we generally refrain from using words like "terrorist", "terrorism", or "insurrection", even when the actions of those groups fit the technical definitions of those words, if their actions don't fit into the common use and understanding of those words.

But, it is human nature that when you hate a group, you use the worst possible words to describe them. The examples of that are endless, and we see all sides of the political spectrum doing it.
Has nothing to do with hate.

The attack on the Capitol was a terrorist attack.

Just ask Ted Cruz.
 

greggerypeccary

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No one wants a dictator.
US could be under rightwing dictator by 2030, Canadian professor warns

The US could be under a rightwing dictatorship by 2030, a Canadian political science professor has warned, urging his country to protect itself against the “collapse of American democracy”.

“We mustn’t dismiss these possibilities just because they seem ludicrous or too horrible to imagine,” Thomas Homer-Dixon, founding director of the Cascade Institute at Royal Roads University in British Columbia, wrote in the Globe and Mail.

“In 2014, the suggestion that Donald Trump would become president would also have struck nearly everyone as absurd. But today we live in a world where the absurd regularly becomes real and the horrible commonplace.”

Homer-Dixon’s message was blunt: “By 2025, American democracy could collapse, causing extreme domestic political instability, including widespread civil violence. By 2030, if not sooner, the country could be governed by a rightwing dictatorship.”
 

SethBullock

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Has nothing to do with hate.

The attack on the Capitol was a terrorist attack.

Just ask Ted Cruz.
I don't especially care for Ted Cruz, so I really don't care what he thinks. In the reply I just made to you in the "Interesting Poll" thread, notice that I didn't include Cruz in my list.
 

SethBullock

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US could be under rightwing dictator by 2030, Canadian professor warns

The US could be under a rightwing dictatorship by 2030, a Canadian political science professor has warned, urging his country to protect itself against the “collapse of American democracy”.

“We mustn’t dismiss these possibilities just because they seem ludicrous or too horrible to imagine,” Thomas Homer-Dixon, founding director of the Cascade Institute at Royal Roads University in British Columbia, wrote in the Globe and Mail.

“In 2014, the suggestion that Donald Trump would become president would also have struck nearly everyone as absurd. But today we live in a world where the absurd regularly becomes real and the horrible commonplace.”

Homer-Dixon’s message was blunt: “By 2025, American democracy could collapse, causing extreme domestic political instability, including widespread civil violence. By 2030, if not sooner, the country could be governed by a rightwing dictatorship.”
He's hysterical.

No chance.

This professor is living in some sort of academic bubble world and really has no clue.
 

greggerypeccary

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He's hysterical.

No chance.

This professor is living in some sort of academic bubble world and really has no clue.
You're being naive, Seth.

I told you what Trump would do, and you said I was hysterical. I was right though.

The Republicans want complete power, all of the time.

If people like you sit back and do nothing, they'll get it.

They don't want free and fair elections.
 

SethBullock

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You're being naive, Seth.

I told you what Trump would do, and you said I was hysterical. I was right though.

The Republicans want complete power, all of the time.

If people like you sit back and do nothing, they'll get it.

They don't want free and fair elections.
Both the Democrats and Republicans want complete power, but they want it within the constraints of the Constitution.

The American people who, by the way, are well-armed, are not going to stand for a dictatorship. No chance.
 

Squire

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Both the Democrats and Republicans want complete power, but they want it within the constraints of the Constitution.

The American people who, by the way, are well-armed, are not going to stand for a dictatorship. No chance.
The Democrats often call for and invite bipartisanship.

The GOP scorns and rejects bipartisanship.
 

DreamRyderX

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The Democrats often call for and invite bipartisanship.

The GOP scorns and rejects bipartisanship.

More Bold Faced Lies From Political Animal's Resident Black-Tongued Liar...


Liz Cheney Melts Down When Asked a Question
A Question That Does-in the Jan. 6 Committee


Source: Town Hall - Red State
I suspect that Rep. Liz Cheney (RINO-WY) is not long for her position. She’s about to get tossed out on her ear come November because the folks in Wyoming have some sense.

But before she goes, she continues to implode on her way out, going all-in with the Democrats.

On Thursday, Cheney appeared on “Special Report with Bret Baier,” where she spent time bashing Republicans. But Baier asked her a great question. Her response showed how duplicitous she is.

Baier asked her about her title or role on the Jan. 6 Committee, “You’re the co-chair of the January 6 committee, Speaker Pelosi put you in that position. Who’s the ranking member of the committee?”

“I’m not the co-chair. Chairman [Bennie] Thompson is the chairman,” Cheney said, which is correct. She then said that she was the vice-chair and claimed to be the “ranking” member. “And I am the ranking Republican member by nature of when I was appointed.” Cheney then out and out lied, saying that House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy refused to name people to the Committee.

There are multiple problems with her claims. She was not appointed to the Committee by Republicans; she was appointed by Pelosi, as was the only other ‘Republican’ on the Committee, Rep. Adam Kinzinger (RINO-IL). There are no Republican-appointed members on the Committee, so it is hardly bipartisan, which is another reason why the “Committee” is a joke.

When the Committee started, Pelosi refused to accept two of the members that House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy appointed, Rep. Jim Banks (R-IN) — who would be the ranking member — and Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH). McCarthy then pulled his remaining members. It was Pelosi who blocked it from being bipartisan when she wouldn’t allow the minority leader to appoint people he wanted to the Committee.

Banks, who has said he was the ranking member by McCarthy’s appointment, told Townhall that the Committee is illegitimate because it isn’t acting by the House rules.

“Liz Cheney told another Big Lie because she didn’t want to admit an obvious truth: she works for Pelosi. Liz Cheney is the Vice Chair and the Committee’s charter explicitly requires a ranking member, but they don’t have one. The Committee is illegitimate and violating House Rules,” said Banks.

Banks has previously said that “something like this has never happened before” and that “it’s a break in precedent,” that the minority party was not able to appoint members they want to a Committee. He has said bluntly it’s because Democrats want to control the narrative against Republicans.......
Bipartisan?? ....... That's nothing more than a A Bold Faced, Black Tongued Lie...

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Squire

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More Bold Faced Lies From Political Animal's Infamous Resident Black-Tongued Liar!!


Liz Cheney Melts Down When Asked a Question
A Question That Does-in the Jan. 6 Committee


Source: Town Hall - Red State

Bipartisanship!!!???? ....... That's nothing more than a A Bold Faced, Black Tongued Lie!!

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I have to agree with you when bipartisanship is spoken of by the GOP which translates to "the GOP is losing and we want to save face by having some Democrat volunteers go down with the GOP ship of fools".
 

hatty

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"Republicans" is painting with a broad brush.

74 million people voted for Trump. Several thousand participated in the demonstration outside the Capitol.

"A lot of attendees are believed to have peeled off as the siege turned violent." - L.A. Times report

Around 700 have been arrested for various offenses.

700 out of 74 million.

You can no more paint "Republicans" by the actions of these people than you can paint "Democrats" by the actions of the terrorist group Antifa.

Rank and file Republicans and Democrats are going to vote in 2022 and 2024 and beyond, and that will be that.
sorry Seth..... you wish to talk numbers.....?

19 0f 21 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia..... yet you lot still stroke their cocks cause gas y'all.....and blame Mexicans or Iraqis..... you remember..... that time when all of us bombed the shit out of them.......?

that lot who ATTACKED the capital were highly armed and organised, STUPID mouth, breathing fuckwits as misinformed as the US government before they bombed the ever loving fuck out of Baghdad.

Are ANTIFA terrorists?...... if they are proven to be guilty of what you claim..... then fucking yes!..... but still more "what about the other guy" shit.

The buck stops with..... m...... nah somewhere over there. "all those very special people" Trump, D (2021)

There is footage of these cunts beating cops with fire extinguishers. and you stand up for them....... i'm sorry Seth.... i thought you used to be a cop. Maybe thats the reason why there is such distrust..... because who need enemies when you've got friends like these?

I ask you this.......what the actual fuck?????????
 
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SethBullock

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sorry Seth..... you wish to talk numbers.....?

19 0f 21 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia..... yet you lot still stroke their cocks cause gas y'all.....and blame Mexicans or Iraqis..... you remember..... that time when all of us bombed the shit out of them.......?

that lot who ATTACKED the capital were highly armed and organised, STUPID mouth, breathing fuckwits as misinformed as the US government before they bombed the ever loving fuck out of Baghdad.

Are ANTIFA terrorists?...... if they are proven to be guilty of what you claim..... then fucking yes!..... but still more "what about the other guy" shit.

The buck stops with..... m...... nah somewhere over there. "all those very special people" Trump, D (2021)

There is footage of these cunts beating cops with fire extinguishers. and you stand up for them....... i'm sorry Seth.... i thought you used to be a cop. Maybe thats the reason why there is such distrust..... because who need enemies when you've got friends like these?

I ask you this.......what the actual fuck?????????
Hatty, I don't stand up for them. I have no respect for them. All who broke the law should be punished accordingly, and you may recall that right after it happened, I told you all that Trump had lost my support to govern. If he had had any appreciable time left on his term, I would have supported his removal.

9/11 was terrorism. The Oklahoma City bombing was terrorism. The Boston Marathon bombing was terrorism, and other mass casualty attacks. Hell, the only person who died in the Capitol riot, other than by natural causes, was one of the rioters who was shot to death. If that was a terrorist attack, it was the weakest, lamest terrorist attack I've ever seen. And if it was a terrorist attack, then so are other attacks for political reasons in other venues for other reasons.
 
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