⮞⮞ No Charges of 'Terrorism' or 'Insurrection' for Jan. 6 'RIOTERS' ⮜⮜

DreamRyderX

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Even though the US Government's Federal Bureau of Investigation (The FBI) has labeled the January 6th Capital Riots as 'Domestic Terrorism'.....some have even called it an 'Insurrection'......not one single defendant arrested & charged for the demonstrations & protests of that day, was charged for either.....Domestic Terrorism or Insurrection.......or as Terrorists or Insurrectionists in general.

See: Here & Here

Further proof that the Leftist 'political opportunists' only wish, was & is, to exacerbate the emotions of their own cultist followers to a fever pitch, rather than call the days event for what they were......Out-of-Control Protests, Demonstrations, & Riots taken too far & over the top by some dumb ass, unruly demonstrators & protestors, who were very angry about the November Presidential Election Results.......period, end of story.....

The Government's employees in the FBI, & other Governmental departments, along with a few dictionaries may describe the activities of January 6th 2021 as 'Domestic Terrorism', & even 'Insurrection', but the Courts & the Departments of Justice have not levied any of those criminal accusations against any of those arrested following the events of that day.

So, outside of personal name calling & attacks against me........

What say you about these demonstrations, riots, & sometimes violent protests?


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HBS Guy

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Nope, they wanted to disrupt and set aside peaceful democratic measures, makes them terrorists.
 

SethBullock

Captain Bullock
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Even though the US Government's Federal Bureau of Investigation (The FBI) has labeled the January 6th Capital Riots as 'Domestic Terrorism'.....some have even called it an 'Insurrection'......not one single defendant arrested & charged for the demonstrations & protests of that day, was charged for either.....Domestic Terrorism or Insurrection.......or as Terrorists or Insurrectionists in general.

See:
Here & Here


Further proof that the Leftist 'political opportunists' only wish, was & is, to exacerbate the emotions of their own cultist followers to a fever pitch, rather than call the days event for what they were......Out-of-Control Protests, Demonstrations, & Riots taken too far & over the top by some dumb ass, unruly demonstrators & protestors, who were very angry about the November Presidential Election Results.......period, end of story.....

The Government's employees in the FBI, & other Governmental departments, along with a few dictionaries may describe the activities of January 6th 2021 as 'Domestic Terrorism', & even 'Insurrection', but the Courts & the Departments of Justice have not levied any of those criminal accusations against any of those arrested following the events of that day.

So, outside of personal name calling & attacks against me........

What say you about these demonstrations, riots, & sometimes violent protests?


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I’m with you on this one. I don’t buy the “terror” or “insurrection” words for what happened. It was a rowdy protest that turned into a riot with the crimes that are typical in a riot - assault, vandalism, trespassing.

They disrupted the Senate’s schedule, but there was no thought of a serious attempt to overthrow the government. If you organize a force of well-armed, committed people who are willing to kill and be killed and they carry out an armed, bloody assault on the organs of power, I think we could call that an insurrection.

IMO, a terror attack has to cause mass casualties, and it has to be in furtherance of some recognizable cause.

I think it would be correct to call the guy who planted pipe bombs at the RNC and DNC headquarters a “terrorist”. I would like to see him get caught and find out what his motive was.
 

greggerypeccary

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About 45 Capitol riot defendants are charged with a crime that is on the terrorism list: destruction or “depredation” of federal property, which carries a maximum 10-year prison term.
 

Squire

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Its not over till the fat lady sings.

Some of those convicted could face more charges if connections are discovered with the Donald Trump insurrection management team at the Willard hotel.
 

greggerypeccary

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IMO, a terror attack has to cause mass casualties, and it has to be in furtherance of some recognizable cause.
Charges aren't based on personal opinions - they're based on law.

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act "dangerous to human life" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.
 

SethBullock

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Charges aren't based on personal opinions - they're based on law.

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act "dangerous to human life" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.
If you believe the January 6th rioters fit that description, do you also believe Antifa fits that description?
 

greggerypeccary

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If you believe the January 6th rioters fit that description, do you also believe Antifa fits that description?
My beliefs don't come into it - the people involved in the January 6 insurrection fit that legal description. It's just a fact.

Regarding Antifa, what particular incident are you referring to?
 

SethBullock

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My beliefs don't come into it - the people involved in the January 6 insurrection fit that legal description. It's just a fact.

Regarding Antifa, what particular incident are you referring to?
Oh my! So many examples! Which one to choose? How about when an Antifa fascist ambushed and murdered a guy who was walking home in Portland. Or maybe the time they set fire to the high rise residential condo building the mayor of Portland and hundreds of other people live in. How about the scores of police officers they randomly injured? How about the journaists they threatened? All for political reasons using force and intimidation.

Are they terrorists? Yes or no?
 

greggerypeccary

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Oh my! So many examples! Which one to choose? How about when an Antifa fascist ambushed and murdered a guy who was walking home in Portland. Or maybe the time they set fire to the high rise residential condo building the mayor of Portland and hundreds of other people live in. How about the scores of police officers they randomly injured? How about the journaists they threatened? All for political reasons using force and intimidation.

Are they terrorists? Yes or no?
If the crimes they committed fit the legal definition, then yes.

What is your point though?

Nobody has ever claimed that the terrorists who carried out the attack on January 6 are the only domestic terrorists in existence.

This kind of looks like deflection to me.
 

SethBullock

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If the crimes they committed fit the legal definition, then yes.

What is your point though?

Nobody has ever claimed that the terrorists who carried out the attack on January 6 are the only domestic terrorists in existence.

This kind of looks like deflection to me.
It’s not a deflection. It was a search for consistency.
 

greggerypeccary

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It’s not a deflection. It was a search for consistency.
I'm consistent.

I condemn all acts of terrorism, no matter who carries them out.

Now, regarding the thread title:

About 45 Capitol riot defendants are charged with a crime that is on the terrorism list: destruction or “depredation” of federal property, which carries a maximum 10-year prison term.
 

SethBullock

Captain Bullock
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I'm consistent.

I condemn all acts of terrorism, no matter who carries them out.

Now, regarding the thread title:

About 45 Capitol riot defendants are charged with a crime that is on the terrorism list: destruction or “depredation” of federal property, which carries a maximum 10-year prison term.
Okay. I condemn them too.

They may or may not be found guilty of violating a law that lies within Terrorism statutes.

Some words have both a legal definition and a common colloquial meaning. Causing or attempting to cause mass civilian casualties meets my definition of terrorism. Repeated attacks with small numbers of victims or singular victims would also fit, such as the hanging of a black man by KKK.

The actions of this group at the Capitol doesn’t meet my definition of terrorism.

The attacks on the Twin Towers was terrorism.
The Boston Marathon bombing was terrorism.
The San Bernardino massacre was terrorism.
The Oklahoma City bombing was terrorism.
When AQI blows up a packed Shiite mosque, that’s terrorism.
The Paris attacks were terrorism.

January 6th? Nah ... not even close.

You can be convicted of murder in this country without personally harming anyone if you are an accomplice to a crime, even if the planned crime isn’t murder. Legally, you’re a murderer.

Michael Brown (remember him?) committed a minor petty theft from a corner store. But when the store owner protested, Brown pushed him and intimidated him, making this a Robbery for which he could be imprisoned for 5 years. Even though the push did no harm, he was no longer a petty shoplifter, but a felon, guilty of Robbery. He could have lived out his life as an ex-convict who had done hard prison time for Robbery ... for stealing a cigar and pushing someone.

Kim Potter was just convicted of manslaughter for making a mistake - an act she had no intention of doing. Is she a “murderer”? Strictly legally, yes because she’s been convicted of it.

What I’m pointing out is that “legal” is sometimes different from common understanding and use of a word.

Sorry... I totally agree that there were numerous crimes committed by the J6 rioters. Calling them “terrorists” is satisfying and sort of fun I guess to some people.

But Antifa has assaulted far more people, committed murder, invaded more occupied government buildings, and done far more damage than the J6ers.

Objectively, Antifa deserves the term more than the J6ers do.

Why does the left call the J6ers “terrorists” but not Antifa?
 
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greggerypeccary

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Okay. I condemn them too.

They may or may not be found guilty of violating a law that lies within Terrorism statutes.

Some words have both a legal definition and a common colloquial meaning. Causing or attempting to cause mass civilian casualties meets my definition of terrorism. Repeated attacks with small numbers of victims or singular victims would also fit, such as the hanging of a black man by KKK.

The actions of this group at the Capitol doesn’t meet my definition of terrorism.

The attacks on the Twin Towers was terrorism.
The Boston Marathon bombing was terrorism.
The San Bernardino massacre was terrorism.
The Oklahoma City bombing was terrorism.
When AQI blows up a packed Shiite mosque, that’s terrorism.
The Paris attacks were terrorism.

January 6th? Nah ... not even close.

You can be convicted of murder in this country without personally harming anyone if you are an accomplice to a crime, even if the planned crime isn’t murder. Legally, you’re a murderer.

Michael Brown (remember him?) committed a minor petty theft from a corner store. But when the store owner protested, Brown pushed him and intimidated him, making this a Robbery for which he could be imprisoned for 5 years. Even though the push did no harm, he was no longer a petty shoplifter, but a felon, guilty of Robbery. He could have lived out his life as an ex-convict who had done hard prison time for Robbery ... for stealing a cigar and pushing someone.

Kim Potter was just convicted of manslaughter for making a mistake - an act she had no intention of doing. Is she a “murderer”? Strictly legally, yes because she’s been convicted of it.

What I’m pointing out is that “legal” is sometimes different from common understanding and use of a word.

Sorry... I totally agree that there were numerous crimes committed by the J6 rioters. Calling them “terrorists” is satisfying and sort of fun I guess to some people.

But Antifa has assaulted far more people, committed murder, invaded more occupied government buildings, and done far more damage than the J6ers.

Objectively, Antifa deserves the term more than the J6ers do.

Why does the left call the J6ers “terrorists” but not Antifa?
As I said, personal opinions and common understandings don't come into it.

The Trump supporters who attacked the Capitol on January 6 are terrorists, and that's not my opinion (because my opinion doesn't matter), that's a legal fact.

At least 45 of them have been charged with terrorism offences.
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
Okay. I condemn them too.

They may or may not be found guilty of violating a law that lies within Terrorism statutes.

Some words have both a legal definition and a common colloquial meaning. Causing or attempting to cause mass civilian casualties meets my definition of terrorism. Repeated attacks with small numbers of victims or singular victims would also fit, such as the hanging of a black man by KKK.

The actions of this group at the Capitol doesn’t meet my definition of terrorism.

The attacks on the Twin Towers was terrorism.
The Boston Marathon bombing was terrorism.
The San Bernardino massacre was terrorism.
The Oklahoma City bombing was terrorism.
When AQI blows up a packed Shiite mosque, that’s terrorism.
The Paris attacks were terrorism.

January 6th? Nah ... not even close.
January 6 is a textbook example of terrorism.

Terrorism definition, according to the FBI: The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

That describes exactly what happened on January 6.
 

johnsmith

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It was a rowdy protest that turned into a riot with the crimes that are typical in a riot - assault, vandalism, trespassing.

there intention from the beginning was to force them to declare that trump had won the election. They went in with calls to kill members of congress to make this happen. That is not a protest, no matter how you dress it.
 

greggerypeccary

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there intention from the beginning was to force them to declare that trump had won the election. They went in with calls to kill members of congress to make this happen. That is not a protest, no matter how you dress it.
It's the dictionary, legal, and FBI definition of terrorism.
 

DreamRyderX

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It's the dictionary, legal, and FBI definition of terrorism.
That definition, along with Fifty Cents, will only get you on a 50 cent pony ride, nothing more.

What is all important is how the Court interprets the level of the actual crime.

What a politician, Political Party, or a plethora of scholarly publications call it means absolutely nothing in determining guilt.

Feel free to use any terminology that makes your narrative most palatable to you.....whatever makes you 'feel' better.....
 
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