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Virus can get in by your eyes and mouth.

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Yes
like lots of other environmental elements

what is your point.? you agree it is too soon.?
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Quite a few countries now are lifting lockdowns... Denmark for instance been a few weeks and no raise and they still have a lot of new infections daily but it's going down...

I don't believe there are many if any undetected cases of the virus in Australia.. The rate of people that get really sick from the virus doesn't change and is very high.. To think a 1000 people have the virus and not one is sick enough to be tested or in a hospital is a bit silly.. Before the lockdown yes... Weeks later no.. SA for instance, no new infections for 9 days , they where the first , 2 weeks ago to start testing anyone who even thinks they might have it.....

I personally think the only thing that can bring back infections now is from overseas travellers...

I think more important than lockdown now it to instil a culture of "if your sick stay at home".. No one is too important to break that. Maybe fine people who knowingly break this simple thing....

The best thing I can see wearing face masks is people will be constantly reminded that virus's kill, we have been ignoring that to the detriment of thousands of Aussie lives per year for way too long...
After all with Hierarchy of hazard controls, Elimination if the highest goal, in this case much better than dodgy Vaccinations that might work (flu only). :purple
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seeing as restrictions are being lifted , to varying degrees in different states :roll I guess we'll find out soon .
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Qld has just announced it will be school as normal for preps (kindergarten in the southern states), year 1, 2 and years 11 and 12. years 3 to 10 will stick to online schooling with a view to return to school on the 25th May.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/ ... n/12211006

It's ridiculous in my opinion. Either it's safe to go to school or it's not. If it's safe, it's safe for all the kids. If it's not, it's not for any of them. People won't be happy with this.
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johnsmith wrote:
04 May 2020, 11:26
Qld has just announced it will be school as normal for preps (kindergarten in the southern states), year 1, 2 and years 11 and 12. years 3 to 10 will stick to online schooling with a view to return to school on the 25th May.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/ ... n/12211006

It's ridiculous in my opinion. Either it's safe to go to school or it's not. If it's safe, it's safe for all the kids. If it's not, it's not for any of them. People won't be happy with this.
Theyre playing with probabilities.... Universities need their cash cows!
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Bongalong wrote:
04 May 2020, 12:00
johnsmith wrote:
04 May 2020, 11:26
Qld has just announced it will be school as normal for preps (kindergarten in the southern states), year 1, 2 and years 11 and 12. years 3 to 10 will stick to online schooling with a view to return to school on the 25th May.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/ ... n/12211006

It's ridiculous in my opinion. Either it's safe to go to school or it's not. If it's safe, it's safe for all the kids. If it's not, it's not for any of them. People won't be happy with this.
Theyre playing with probabilities.... Universities need their cash cows!
At least one uni has already announced it is scrapping Atar score for HSC graduates this year. Other uni's should do the same
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johnsmith wrote:
04 May 2020, 11:26
Qld has just announced it will be school as normal for preps (kindergarten in the southern states), year 1, 2 and years 11 and 12. years 3 to 10 will stick to online schooling with a view to return to school on the 25th May.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/ ... n/12211006

It's ridiculous in my opinion. Either it's safe to go to school or it's not. If it's safe, it's safe for all the kids. If it's not, it's not for any of them. People won't be happy with this.
Be interesting to see how they are going to enforce social distancing, will be like herding cats..... and that's just the Teachers.....
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DonDeeHippy wrote:
04 May 2020, 13:13
johnsmith wrote:
04 May 2020, 11:26
Qld has just announced it will be school as normal for preps (kindergarten in the southern states), year 1, 2 and years 11 and 12. years 3 to 10 will stick to online schooling with a view to return to school on the 25th May.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/ ... n/12211006

It's ridiculous in my opinion. Either it's safe to go to school or it's not. If it's safe, it's safe for all the kids. If it's not, it's not for any of them. People won't be happy with this.
Be interesting to see how they are going to enforce social distancing, will be like herding cats..... and that's just the Teachers.....
:purple
In schools? Impossible. They'd need to double the sizes of the classrooms to even try it. It won't happen.
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johnsmith wrote:
04 May 2020, 13:15
DonDeeHippy wrote:
04 May 2020, 13:13
johnsmith wrote:
04 May 2020, 11:26
Qld has just announced it will be school as normal for preps (kindergarten in the southern states), year 1, 2 and years 11 and 12. years 3 to 10 will stick to online schooling with a view to return to school on the 25th May.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/ ... n/12211006

It's ridiculous in my opinion. Either it's safe to go to school or it's not. If it's safe, it's safe for all the kids. If it's not, it's not for any of them. People won't be happy with this.
Be interesting to see how they are going to enforce social distancing, will be like herding cats..... and that's just the Teachers.....
:purple
In schools? Impossible. They'd need to double the sizes of the classrooms to even try it. It won't happen.
I suppose the reasoning is if they just take basically one year in primary and high school's for a fortnight to work this out.. . I guess this is better than just saying lets have all the kids back and kaos…. After a few days it might change again..


I could see letting half the school in one week then the next half the week after with alternating home schooling...or maybe just a third of the school ,if every child needs a 2 metre distance around them....
I noticed our school buses here are running and they have only 1 or 2 kids in them.. They will need to double or triple school buses as well for social distancing. If the schools are full. There will be hundreds of things not thought about or thought badly.. 2 weeks might not be enough with just prep, grade 1 and 11,12 coming back. To iron out the kinks....

Maybe they can put collars on the kids like we do with dogs, where they get zapped if closer than 1.5 metres, the Teachers and parents would love this and make hilarious YouTube's.. Win Win....:purple
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I don't think the 1.5m distance applies on public transport. That includes school buses
DonDeeHippy wrote:
04 May 2020, 14:24
I could see letting half the school in one week then the next half the week after with alternating home schooling...or maybe just a third of the school ,if every child needs a 2 metre distance around them....
that would make it overly difficult for parents who still have to work
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DonDeeHippy wrote:
04 May 2020, 14:24
Maybe they can put collars on the kids like we do with dogs, where they get zapped if closer than 1.5 metres, the Teachers and parents would love this and make hilarious YouTube's.
those collars work great. I was a sceptic until i started my current job
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johnsmith wrote:
04 May 2020, 17:36
I don't think the 1.5m distance applies on public transport. That includes school buses
DonDeeHippy wrote:
04 May 2020, 14:24
I could see letting half the school in one week then the next half the week after with alternating home schooling...or maybe just a third of the school ,if every child needs a 2 metre distance around them....
that would make it overly difficult for parents who still have to work
They want the kids to get infected!
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johnsmith wrote:
04 May 2020, 13:02
Bongalong wrote:
04 May 2020, 12:00
johnsmith wrote:
04 May 2020, 11:26
Qld has just announced it will be school as normal for preps (kindergarten in the southern states), year 1, 2 and years 11 and 12. years 3 to 10 will stick to online schooling with a view to return to school on the 25th May.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-04/ ... n/12211006

It's ridiculous in my opinion. Either it's safe to go to school or it's not. If it's safe, it's safe for all the kids. If it's not, it's not for any of them. People won't be happy with this.
Theyre playing with probabilities.... Universities need their cash cows!
At least one uni has already announced it is scrapping Atar score for HSC graduates this year. Other uni's should do the same
Wtf does that mean???????? :rofl
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n Monday the Republican governor of Nebraska, Pete Ricketts, a close ally of Donald Trump and frequent visitor to the White House, opened his daily coronavirus briefing with a big announcement. “Today is May 4,” he said, “the first day of loosened restrictions statewide.”
With his declaration, Ricketts placed Nebraska at the vanguard of America’s reopening. Churches can now open their doors to worshippers, wedding bells and funeral dirges will be heard once more, hospitals can reschedule elective surgeries, and most Nebraskans will be able to resumehaving their hair cut, nails manicured, bodies massaged and skin tattooed.
Restaurants are once again serving diners, though at half capacity. Nebraska Crossing has become one of the first malls in North America to welcome back shoppers.
It’s a happy day in sunny Nebraska.
But the statistics paint a very different picture. In the last seven days, the state recorded a 57% leap in the daily number of new cases, to a total of 7,190. The death rate too is rising sharply, standing at 90.
Measured in Covid-19 cases per 100,000 population, Nebraska is wrestling with the worst outbreak of the disease outside the early hotspots of New York and the north-east, Louisiana and Illinois, all of which are now seeing the pandemic declining.

Nebraska’s lack of preparedness for the challenges involved in reopening is even more alarming. According to the Covid Exit Strategy, a group of public health and crisis experts with White House and US government experience, Nebraska is 49th out of 50 states in terms of its readiness for rebooting its economy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... oronavirus

More disturbingly for those states now lifting restrictions, new analysis out this week showed that if you exclude from the data New York – where the number of new cases is now falling – the rest of the US is still on an inexorably upward curve.

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Weeks after right-wing protests erupted in response to states’ stay-at-home orders, there is some evidence that attendees have now contracted the virus.
According to Up North News in Wisconsin, 72 residents who reported attending a large gathering in the past two weeks have tested positive for Covid-19. The state did not ask individuals to specify which event they attended. But two weeks ago, 1,500 people gathered at a rally at the state’s Capitol in Madison in violation of the state’s social distancing restrictions. Photographs of the event show mask-less participants standing next to each other in a large crowd.
At the rally, the paper notes, some speakers said “they were not afraid to die or afraid of the coronavirus, with many hosting signs calling the pandemic a hoax.”
Wisconsin, a battleground state in November, is governed by Tony Evers, a Democrat.

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DonDeeHippy wrote:
12 May 2020, 07:09
there is some evidence that attendees have now contracted the virus.
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A virus does not respect party-political affiliations.

I get the shits at people crowding when I do some necessary shopping. I would not spend hours in a crowd! Geeze!

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Have to say
people are morons, in general. Put'm together and all brains exit the space.. I can't believe how people would be so cavalier ( :roll ) about their own health..its a wonder they weren't all tongue-kissing... YUK FAT FUCKS LICKING FACE...

OH well, we will all get what is coming... that is just plain fact... IF we act sensibly, so that there is no runaway infections like in most of the rest of the world, we may well preserve many of us, but I'm sad to say.. not looking good for many many …

Seems likely that population decreases will have their impacts, both socially and economically, so ... that idea of critical mass, not only applies to numbers of virus-infected, where I used the term previously,, … it also applies to other ideas...

like .. necessary supply chains, specialist areas of things like power production, IT Security, Agricultural management.. etc etc etc. Every aspect of life as we know it is at risk, because people can't bear a little hardship. AND I MEAN A LITTLE... People will die who have irreplaceable knowledge.. already are.. and townships and small cities, and large cities, around the world will NOT be able to pretend, as they OH SO OBVIOUSLY DO.. that Covid-19 can be shrugged off and ignored, >> it is more important to go to a restaurant for food than live, in longer term..

Countries that relax restrictions now.... Really show us the ultimate example of that very human denial mechanism.. Won't happen to me..
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Time To Start Loosening Lockdown Restrictions, Virus Says


The COVID-19 virus has called on the government to get people back to work as soon as possible.

Saying it was ridiculous that it was still prohibited for large groups to congregate in public places, the Virus For The Economy lobby group declared that it was essential to start easing lockdown restrictions as soon as possible.

“All we want is for people to be able to go back to work and go about their daily lives again – that’s what we’re calling for. It’s as simple as that,” a spokesperson for the group said.

“The economic losses are mounting. If we don’t open up office buildings, public transport and city streets soon, we could lose all of the gains that we’ve made to date. We’re in danger of being out of work for good if this continues”.

The spokesperson called on government officials to rethink restrictions on social gatherings too. “Like everyone else, we’re dying to be able to go to house parties and nightclubs again. Let’s get things back up and running”.


https://theshovel.com.au/2020/05/07/tim ... irus-says/

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Indeed.

I DO wonder at this insistence to go back to "NORMAL" ASAP.

I"D be happy if it NEVER went back to what we were. WE should LEARN from this.
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People are suffering—loss of income, loss of contact with family etc.

But no point rushing and getting a second wave, that would be just too cruel.

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sorry HBS Guy, but Mother Nature isn't cruel.

She does what is necessary.

Up to all of us , if we listen to her message.

People suffer everyday … that is ONE TRUTH in LIFE.
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