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Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby chris155au » 16 Mar 2020, 16:51

WHY, when Europe is the current EPICENTER of this bloody thing is there not a travel ban in place for people coming from there? Well according to one news article from the Sydney Morning Herald, "health advisers" are against it!

From the article:
The Australian Health Protection Principal Committee advised on Thursday night that with increasing outbreaks in many countries, further travel restrictions are unlikely to be of significant benefit in limiting community transmission of COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus.

"AHPPC did not support any change to the current change to the travel bans at this time and will continue to review the situation on a daily basis," it said. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 549gv.html


I can't for the life of me understand what they are saying here. "With increasing outbreak in many countries?" WTF? Yeah, many EUROPEAN countries! So why can people from Europe still travel here?
I tried my best to find the source of the info, going directly to the Committee's webpage on health.gov.au (https://www.health.gov.au/committees-an ... ttee-ahppc) but I found that NONE of their March statements mentioned anything about travel from Europe, so I have no idea where the Sydney Morning Herald got it from.

As the article points out, people traveling from Europe are asked to self-declare at check-in if they have been to Italy during the travel ban, but this is not good enough because the European Union's open borders mean that passports are not checked between countries, allowing travelers who depart Europe from airports outside Italy to simply slip through! Which raises the question: why the hell is the useless European Union not changing that particular policy and checking passports so that we and other countries can know where people have been?

And there is also a question as to why travel from the US isn't banned also! The US, where the infection rate is higher than China from where travel is still banned! As Victorian Premier Daniel Andrew's points out, the majority of Victoria's new cases are connected to those who have traveled from the United States! So I can understand why he is flagging this apparent inconsistency in travel policy. The whole thing is just one fat MESS!
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby HBS Guy » 16 Mar 2020, 18:50

Wow, great post!

Yes, travel from Europe should be limited but they can spend 4 weeks in isolation then be tested and if negative be allowed unfettered travel in Australia. Goodbye tourism industry but not goodbye more lives lost to COVID19!
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby chris155au » 16 Mar 2020, 19:15

HBS Guy wrote:Wow, great post!

Yes, travel from Europe should be limited but they can spend 4 weeks in isolation then be tested and if negative be allowed unfettered travel in Australia. Goodbye tourism industry but not goodbye more lives lost to COVID19!


The problem is, self-isolation cannot be enforced! Once they leave the airport, they already HAVE "unfettered travel in Australia!"
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby Lols » 16 Mar 2020, 21:41

chris155au wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:Wow, great post!

Yes, travel from Europe should be limited but they can spend 4 weeks in isolation then be tested and if negative be allowed unfettered travel in Australia. Goodbye tourism industry but not goodbye more lives lost to COVID19!


The problem is, self-isolation cannot be enforced! Once they leave the airport, they already HAVE "unfettered travel in Australia!"

It is enforced as from midnight last night, anyone that landed in Oz before midnight are not required to self isolation, everyone landing on ground after midnight are to self isolate 14 days.
There are hefty fines throughout each state and in NSW and WA jail also.

How do they check all those passengers if they do the right thing?

Must have to fill in all their personal details and where they will be staying for the duration of isolation?

That Viking cruise ship at Melbourne all Americans on board has been refused to disembark.
Some apparently were allowed to fly back to the US it’s been reported.
So then that means some passengers have disembarked?
Taken to Tullamarine airport?
There must have had to be a very very good reason to allow some to leave a ship that’s not allowing to disembark on the whole?
I think what Jacinta did for NZ was the way to do it “hit it early and hit it hard”

Glad I went on our cruise last year to NZ!
And did China tour the year before!
Not going anywhere this year!
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby pinkeye » 16 Mar 2020, 22:22

some sense at last.

It is interesting, yes.?

The government has failed. They are helpless in the face of this. Unlike some countries that recognised future risk from a pandemic, and are now coming out the other side. we here.. have got bupkiss. Utter fucking farce.!!

Q+A tonight..?? that Minister who wasted most of the program talking rubbish, in defence of the Govt performance. He made a big deal about the National acronym.. he used acronyms and that's just typical.. contempt.

And we hear now that Morrison and Frydenberg are getting together to find more money..?? for the economy. !! :WTF

If they (the govt) don't get themselves in gear we are ALL FUCKED.
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Postby DonDeeHippy » 17 Mar 2020, 04:39

pinkeye wrote:some sense at last.

It is interesting, yes.?

The government has failed. They are helpless in the face of this. Unlike some countries that recognised future risk from a pandemic, and are now coming out the other side. we here.. have got bupkiss. Utter fucking farce.!!

Q+A tonight..?? that Minister who wasted most of the program talking rubbish, in defence of the Govt performance. He made a big deal about the National acronym.. he used acronyms and that's just typical.. contempt.

And we hear now that Morrison and Frydenberg are getting together to find more money..?? for the economy. !! :WTF

If they (the govt) don't get themselves in gear we are ALL FUCKED.

Yes after 6 weeks of Infection in Australian 11 people not directly involved or Travelers from Overseas have contracted the Virus.. Keep up the good work ScoMo... :purple
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby pinkeye » 17 Mar 2020, 07:16

It has nothing to do with scummo… it is all about the people on the frontline.
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby DonDeeHippy » 17 Mar 2020, 07:27

pinkeye wrote:It has nothing to do with scummo… it is all about the people on the frontline.

Sorry Pinky you can't have it both ways either the Government are doing a good job or they are not, cant move the goalposts on this.
The people on the frontline's are being directed by the Government
Compared to other Infected Nations, Australia is doing very well containing this Virus....
We all need to thank ScoMo for his handling of this potentially dangerous virus and hope his leadership continues to keep us safe…. :purple
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby johnsmith » 17 Mar 2020, 09:23

DonDeeHippy wrote:Sorry Pinky you can't have it both ways either the Government are doing a good job or they are not


and the answer is that they're not. So stop pretending otherwise
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby DonDeeHippy » 17 Mar 2020, 10:15

johnsmith wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:Sorry Pinky you can't have it both ways either the Government are doing a good job or they are not


and the answer is that they're not. So stop pretending otherwise

Sorry john just go and look at the numbers in other countries and you can see the wonderful Job this government is doing.. The Virus has been in Australia for 6 weeks and yet the Number are very low . I know no matter what the Government do you need to bad mouth them but the evidence is showing 11 people so far have gotten the Infection not related to Those that have come from Overseas or close associates and no new infections for over a week :)
ScoMo in all his wisdom saw what New Zealand has done and copied it as well for Self Quarantine .
Italy with double the Population has over 2000 deaths we have 5.... England has thousands of cases and a Island….
Just Imagine, Australia could of Been like Italy if Labor had been in charge (shudders) :purple
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Postby johnsmith » 17 Mar 2020, 10:40

DonDeeHippy wrote:Sorry john just go and look at the numbers in other countries and you can see the wonderful Job this government is doing.. The Virus has been in Australia for 6 weeks and yet the Number are very low . I know no matter what the Government do you need to bad mouth them but the evidence is showing 11 people so far have gotten the Infection not related to Those that have come from Overseas or close associates and no new infections for over a week :)



the number are 'despite' what scomo has done, not because of what he has done. Most of the real work was already done by the state governments. Throughout the whole thing they've acted long before the feds. Scomo has has shown NO leadership whatsoever. He's merely acted after the complaints about his inaction became to loud or when he felt he could gain some good PR. NZ had far fewer cases than us when they implemented isolation to all travellers .... scomo then felt that he had to be seen to be doing something and so copied.

The only real policy the feds had done was implement some travel restrictions on people coming from other countries, and then they did little or nothing to enforce it. People coming from china could bypass by going to a third country first. A friend of mine came back from japan the day before japan was listed as a no go zone, and he walked straight through the airport at Cairns, spent a few hours in town, then got onto another plane and then flew down to the goldie. Surely if they were thinking of isolating travelers from there, they should have had travelers coming from there at least being given a basic check before they actually got to the stage where they implement compulsory self isolation?
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Postby DonDeeHippy » 17 Mar 2020, 11:43

You guys are as bad as Greggy when it comes to Trump. No matter what the government do it's wrong .
The fact is the Virus is very contained in Australia,

as far as the Cairns airport is concerned if it's to do with the state, then Queensland has a Labor Government and that probably why that happened....
As you know the Cairns Airport is under State Authority.....
As your saying
johnsmith wrote:Most of the real work was already done by the state governments

I think it's disgraceful the Labor QLD government let your friend walk around like that.... :purple
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby johnsmith » 17 Mar 2020, 11:51

DonDeeHippy wrote:No matter what the government do it's wrong .

when he does something right I'll let you know.


DonDeeHippy wrote:as far as the Cairns airport is concerned if it's to do with the state, then Queensland has a Labor Government and that probably why that happened.


so morrisons ban on travel affects what? only canberras airport? Border control is a federal responsibility and applies to all airports that allow international planes. It had nothing to do with the Qld govt. policies.

DonDeeHippy wrote:I think it's disgraceful the Labor QLD government let your friend walk around like that....

typical liberal ... blame everyone else, take no responsibility for you own decisions :roll :roll :roll
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby johnsmith » 17 Mar 2020, 12:07

Here you go Don, this is what the doctors think of scomos actions



Key points:
The doctors warn of an Italy-style disaster in Australia unless stricter measures are enforced
The pleas are made in an open-letter circulating online among doctors
The letter has almost 4,000 signatories, the author says




https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/australia-doctors-coronavirus-letter-pleading-government-action/12062368
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby DonDeeHippy » 17 Mar 2020, 12:16

johnsmith wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:No matter what the government do it's wrong .

when he does something right I'll let you know.


DonDeeHippy wrote:as far as the Cairns airport is concerned if it's to do with the state, then Queensland has a Labor Government and that probably why that happened.


so morrisons ban on travel affects what? only canberras airport? Border control is a federal responsibility and applies to all airports that allow international planes. It had nothing to do with the Qld govt. policies.

DonDeeHippy wrote:I think it's disgraceful the Labor QLD government let your friend walk around like that....

typical liberal ... blame everyone else, take no responsibility for you own decisions :roll :roll :roll

Cairns airport is under State Jurisdiction not Federal..... Labor at any time could of Implemented policy to stop anyone leaving the airport but they didn't......That's Labor for ya....
SO if you want to start blaming, It's fine you want to Blame the Feds, but as the Airport is under State control, to not blame them is just wanting one political party to be better than the next.....
You cant really say the states have done all the work, then turn around and say it's the Feds fault, your all over the place... :purple
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby DonDeeHippy » 17 Mar 2020, 12:27

johnsmith wrote:Here you go Don, this is what the doctors think of scomos actions



Key points:
The doctors warn of an Italy-style disaster in Australia unless stricter measures are enforced
The pleas are made in an open-letter circulating online among doctors
The letter has almost 4,000 signatories, the author says




https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/australia-doctors-coronavirus-letter-pleading-government-action/12062368

so 66,000 doctors haven't signed it.
4000 so called doctors in a Online letter, how many are Infectious disease specialists..
Since there are only 300 cases in Australia even if one Doctor each saw 1 Patient with the virus then there are still 3700 Doctors that maybe have signed that haven't even had one patient with the Virus.....
Anyone can succumb to fear :) Anonymous with a open Internet letter even better....

The Petition for Assange we ignore but one that supports you anti government stance we endorse got it :thumb
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby johnsmith » 17 Mar 2020, 14:01

DonDeeHippy wrote:so 66,000 doctors haven't signed it.


really? that's your argument? :grn
DonDeeHippy wrote:4000 so called doctors in a Online letter, how many are Infectious disease specialists..


the letter was penned by a doctor who works on the front line after consultations with colleagues in similar roles in other hospitals

DonDeeHippy wrote:The Petition for Assange we ignore but one that supports you anti government stance we endorse got it

the petition for assange was started by the lawyers trying to get him let off. What is the goal of these doctors?
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby chris155au » 17 Mar 2020, 14:53

DonDeeHippy wrote: as far as the Cairns airport is concerned if it's to do with the state, then Queensland has a Labor Government and that probably why that happened....


But surely you know that border control is NOT to do with the states.
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Postby chris155au » 17 Mar 2020, 14:59

johnsmith wrote:The only real policy the feds had done was implement some travel restrictions on people coming from other countries, and then they did little or nothing to enforce it. People coming from china could bypass by going to a third country first.


Wouldn't their passport show that they went to China?

A friend of mine came back from japan the day before japan was listed as a no go zone, and he walked straight through the airport at Cairns, spent a few hours in town, then got onto another plane and then flew down to the goldie.


Well as you say, it was the day before, so why is this surprising?
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Postby chris155au » 17 Mar 2020, 15:02

DonDeeHippy wrote:Just Imagine, Australia could of Been like Italy if Labor had been in charge (shudders) :purple


What makes you say that?
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby DonDeeHippy » 17 Mar 2020, 15:24

chris155au wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote: as far as the Cairns airport is concerned if it's to do with the state, then Queensland has a Labor Government and that probably why that happened....


But surely you know that border control is NOT to do with the states.

Once a Australian goes through Immigration checks in a Airport then he is under State jurisdiction in a Airport…. Once his friend went through the Initial checks then It's up to the State to decide where he goes next....They decided he could go where he wanted as his next flight was Domestic..... :purple
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Postby johnsmith » 17 Mar 2020, 15:25

chris155au wrote:Wouldn't their passport show that they went to China?

the questions they were being asked was where they'd come from? or if they'd been to china in the last 2 weeks. Many Chinese students were going to Dubai (or other 3rd country) for two weeks and then walking straight in.
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Mar 2020, 15:27

Incubation period is longer than two weeks.
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Re: Health advisers say no to European travel ban. WHY?

Postby johnsmith » 17 Mar 2020, 15:28

DonDeeHippy wrote:
chris155au wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote: as far as the Cairns airport is concerned if it's to do with the state, then Queensland has a Labor Government and that probably why that happened....


But surely you know that border control is NOT to do with the states.

Once a Australian goes through Immigration checks in a Airport then he is under State jurisdiction in a Airport…. Once his friend went through the Initial checks then It's up to the State to decide where he goes next....They decided he could go where he wanted as his next flight was Domestic..... :purple



the states don't do any sort of border control. You're getting desperate now just so you can pretend the libs are doing a good job. It's up to the border patrol to determine who comes into the country, they're best equiped to deal with it.


Ask yourself Don, if the libs are doing so great, why has India, a country with 1.2B people, got far less infected than us?
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