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A key member of an expert panel advising the Government's response to COVID-19 has voiced her frustrated at Australia's staged shutdown approach, warning the death toll could potentially rise if the Government did not take a "go hard, go now approach"

Raina MacIntyre from the UNSW's Biosecurity Program is part of an expert panel from Australia's leading universities, which recommended an immediate but short lockdown to curb cases, an approach the Government did not take.

"I was hoping we'd see a more comprehensive lockdown for a short period of time, but that is not the approach we're taking," Professor McIntyre said.

"It's more a trickle sort of approach, a little bit by bit, which won't be as effective at stopping the transmission in the community."

Professor MacIntyre said the majority of panellists — including specialists from the fields of epidemiology, bio-ethics and medicine — urged the Government to act within a short and vital window.

"The majority of people on the panel did agree with this go hard, go now approach," she said.

"The more you slam on the brakes, the more control you'll get of the epidemic, the more the cases will go down.

"The other alternative is to wait until things really get out of control and your health system starts to get infected.

"Then you try all those measures which we've seen happening in Italy and Spain and so on. But by then, the epidemic is so big that the chance of success is less and the time to recover from that is much longer."

According to Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy, the group of university experts is one of several expert panels that the Government has been consulting, including the Communicable Disease Network of Australia and the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee.

The panel of academics from Australia's Group of Eight universities made its recommendations in a letter to the federal Health Minister on Monday, most of which related to the "scope and scale" of physical distancing measures.

The letter recommended the introduction of "strong immediate and co-ordinated social distancing measures", to avoid the same trajectory as Italy, the US and the UK.

It also called for stronger physical distancing measures, school closures and enhanced testing "without delay" and pointed to evidence stronger measures "increase the likelihood of a speedier move to national social and economic recovery phase".

Professor MacIntyre said the National Cabinet's decision to proceed with a staged shutdown would cost lives.

"Definitely we will see more cases and potentially more deaths," she said.

PM says complete shutdown 'was not recommended'

The academics' recommendation went further than the latest advice from the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee — made up of the country's chief medical officers — which has not yet called for a total shutdown.

Last night, Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced a decision by the National Cabinet to expand business closures and restrictions and implored people not to gather in groups.

He stopped short of announcing a total lockdown like the United Kingdom or India.

When asked why the Government had not initiated a full shutdown, as urged by the Group of Eight expert panel, Mr Morrison said: "That was not recommended".

Professor Murphy said a complete shutdown was not "a unanimous view".

"That opinion, like the opinion of many external experts, was considered by the very large and complex process that we undertook with the Communicable Disease Network of Australia, which is the primary expert advisory group, and the AHPPC, with another half a dozen academic experts in that, and that position was very seriously considered," he said.

"The idea that you can put measures in place for four weeks and suddenly stop them and the virus will be gone is not credible."

Until now, Professor MacIntrye has been supportive of the Government's approach to dealing with the pandemic.

She said it would be another two weeks before we know how successful Australia's distancing measures have been.

"I'm not expecting to see much impact of the social distancing measures, but I am expecting to see an impact of the travel bans," she said.
Not a choice between lives and jobs

Professor MacIntyre said the Government was doing its best to keep the economy afloat but believed we can do the right thing for both public health and the economy.

"There's a mistaken belief that it's the economy or disease control and you have to choose one or the other," she said.

She said that was completely false.

"If you don't control the disease, your economic losses are going to be far greater and the recovery time is going to be a lot longer."

"So it's just a fallacy to think it's a choice between saving lives and jobs."

Victoria Premier Daniel Andrews has indicated stricter measures were likely, though he did not detail what those measures to curb the spread of coronavirus might be.

Professor MacIntrye said Australia would be naive to "assume we have everything under control", and that there was still time to bring the situation under control.

"It's not too late. China was having thousands and thousands of cases a day at the time when they implemented the lockdown. But they brought it under control, so it is possible," she said.

"And unless you stop 70 to 80 per cent of people contacting each other, you're not going to stop the transmission."

Health Minister Greg Hunt has been contacted for comment.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/ ... s/12088348



I've said all along he needed to go hard and go early.
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johnsmith wrote:
A key member of an expert panel advising the Government's response to COVID-19 has voiced her frustrated at Australia's staged shutdown approach, warning the death toll could potentially rise if the Government did not take a "go hard, go now approach"

Raina MacIntyre from the UNSW's Biosecurity Program is part of an expert panel from Australia's leading universities, which recommended an immediate but short lockdown to curb cases, an approach the Government did not take.

"I was hoping we'd see a more comprehensive lockdown for a short period of time, but that is not the approach we're taking," Professor McIntyre said.

"It's more a trickle sort of approach, a little bit by bit, which won't be as effective at stopping the transmission in the community."

Professor MacIntyre said the majority of panellists — including specialists from the fields of epidemiology, bio-ethics and medicine — urged the Government to act within a short and vital window.

"The majority of people on the panel did agree with this go hard, go now approach," she said.

"The more you slam on the brakes, the more control you'll get of the epidemic, the more the cases will go down.

"The other alternative is to wait until things really get out of control and your health system starts to get infected.

"Then you try all those measures which we've seen happening in Italy and Spain and so on. But by then, the epidemic is so big that the chance of success is less and the time to recover from that is much longer."

According to Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy, the group of university experts is one of several expert panels that the Government has been consulting, including the Communicable Disease Network of Australia and the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee.

The panel of academics from Australia's Group of Eight universities made its recommendations in a letter to the federal Health Minister on Monday, most of which related to the "scope and scale" of physical distancing measures.

The letter recommended the introduction of "strong immediate and co-ordinated social distancing measures", to avoid the same trajectory as Italy, the US and the UK.

It also called for stronger physical distancing measures, school closures and enhanced testing "without delay" and pointed to evidence stronger measures "increase the likelihood of a speedier move to national social and economic recovery phase".

Professor MacIntyre said the National Cabinet's decision to proceed with a staged shutdown would cost lives.

"Definitely we will see more cases and potentially more deaths," she said.

PM says complete shutdown 'was not recommended'

The academics' recommendation went further than the latest advice from the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee — made up of the country's chief medical officers — which has not yet called for a total shutdown.

Last night, Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced a decision by the National Cabinet to expand business closures and restrictions and implored people not to gather in groups.

He stopped short of announcing a total lockdown like the United Kingdom or India.

When asked why the Government had not initiated a full shutdown, as urged by the Group of Eight expert panel, Mr Morrison said: "That was not recommended".

Professor Murphy said a complete shutdown was not "a unanimous view".

"That opinion, like the opinion of many external experts, was considered by the very large and complex process that we undertook with the Communicable Disease Network of Australia, which is the primary expert advisory group, and the AHPPC, with another half a dozen academic experts in that, and that position was very seriously considered," he said.

"The idea that you can put measures in place for four weeks and suddenly stop them and the virus will be gone is not credible." (that is the View of MacIntrye)

Until now, Professor MacIntrye has been supportive of the Government's approach to dealing with the pandemic.

She said it would be another two weeks before we know how successful Australia's distancing measures have been.

"I'm not expecting to see much impact of the social distancing measures, but I am expecting to see an impact of the travel bans," she said.
Not a choice between lives and jobs

Professor MacIntyre said the Government was doing its best to keep the economy afloat but believed we can do the right thing for both public health and the economy.

"There's a mistaken belief that it's the economy or disease control and you have to choose one or the other," she said.

She said that was completely false.

"If you don't control the disease, your economic losses are going to be far greater and the recovery time is going to be a lot longer."

"So it's just a fallacy to think it's a choice between saving lives and jobs."

Victoria Premier Daniel Andrews has indicated stricter measures were likely, though he did not detail what those measures to curb the spread of coronavirus might be.

Professor MacIntrye said Australia would be naive to "assume we have everything under control", and that there was still time to bring the situation under control.

"It's not too late. China was having thousands and thousands of cases a day at the time when they implemented the lockdown. But they brought it under control, so it is possible," she said.

"And unless you stop 70 to 80 per cent of people contacting each other, you're not going to stop the transmission."

Health Minister Greg Hunt has been contacted for comment.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/ ... s/12088348



I've said all along he needed to go hard and go early.
So this woman was part of one of many advisory groups for the main Communicable Disease Network of Australia.
Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy and seniors medical officers agreed that a total shut down wasn't advisable..
Raina MacIntyre doesn't think they where right, even though the main panel advising the Prime Minister did.
From this one woman's opinion ScoMo should of Ignored the Medical community and did what she advised.. Got it...
Is this really why you think ScoMo Screwed up, by listening to the Chief Medical Officer and the Communicable Disease Network of Australia ?
This woman just sounds bitter because they ignored her, that and the reporter trying to make poor Scott seam like a bad guy for listening to the Majority rule of the Medical Community.... :purple
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I can't agree with you .. she is NOT a LONE VOICE,, we are just fortunate to be told some home truths.

I am very pleased with ABC coverage.. they are at least not in league with the big players on the table.

You must understand , politics should not play any role , any further. It is down to the experts now. Only they can provide proper adice and assistance.

Personally the POLLIES SHOULD SHUT UP.
Morrison seems incapable of clear speaking. ( Funny that :roll ) What should be clear is equivocated about.. a fucking disaster.!!

He should disappear now, for maybe ONE TIME a DAY, :roll if we must, and ... let the experts get on with it.
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pinkeye wrote:I can't agree with you .. she is NOT a LONE VOICE,, we are just fortunate to be told some home truths.

I am very pleased with ABC coverage.. they are at least not in league with the big players on the table.

You must understand , politics should not play any role , any further. It is down to the experts now. Only they can provide proper adice and assistance.

Personally the POLLIES SHOULD SHUT UP.
Morrison seems incapable of clear speaking. ( Funny that :roll ) What should be clear is equivocated about.. a fucking disaster.!!

He should disappear now, for maybe ONE TIME a DAY, :roll if we must, and ... let the experts get on with it.
Ahh another bitter opinion piece with no fact that can't accept the Government are doing a good Job....
Go ScoMo unlike USA, Brazil, Iran, Mexico your actually taking this seriously and getting the job done... :purple
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No, he is not.

The lockdown took way too long, there is the cruise ship that was allowed to dock and disembark customers in the dead of night. The stimulus was going to happen end March now end April—go in hard, go in early has been lost.

Why is an unelected committee with fuckall medical expertise running the anti Corona effort? Parliament should be the oversight body!

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Currently, Australia does not have widespread community transmission of COVID-19.
the response has been just fine.... :purple
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Getting there tho:

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-a ... se-numbers

I was in Westfield Marion this morning—sad sight, hardly anyone there. Did my bit of business (for some reason, my stupidity probably, I couldn’t do it over the net) then wondered to Coles. No loo paper but I managed to get two packets of incontinence pants for Mum. 24 rolls of loo paper, when is the panic buying going to stop?

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DonDeeHippy wrote:Currently, Australia does not have widespread community transmission of COVID-19.
the response has been just fine.... :purple
YOU should read the LINK Aussie has posted...

Might give you a better idea of the facts , as we know them now.

On another topic, hang on I'll see if I can find it for you..

Trmp is bungling er shit that one.. I just posted on it

Check it out fyi.
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pinkeye wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:Currently, Australia does not have widespread community transmission of COVID-19.
the response has been just fine.... :purple
YOU should read the LINK Aussie has posted...

Might give you a better idea of the facts , as we know them now.

On another topic, hang on I'll see if I can find it for you..

Trmp is bungling er shit that one.. I just posted on it

Check it out fyi.
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sorry Don, but you are wrong. She is not a lone voice. She is one of many
scomo seems to be listening only to the advice that marries with his ideology. That is wrong. Politics shouldn't be involved at all. He should leave it to the medics.
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St Kilda Today.. you cant stop stupid... But Blame ScoMo, I'm sure you will find ways :)
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Again St Kilda....Do we Need the Army ?
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johnsmith wrote:sorry Don, but you are wrong. She is not a lone voice. She is one of many
scomo seems to be listening only to the advice that marries with his ideology. That is wrong. Politics shouldn't be involved at all. He should leave it to the medics.
Well stop involving politics and Let his medical experts give him advise....
Currently, Australia does not have widespread community transmission of COVID-19. :thumb
:purple
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On Sunday, when Mr Morrison announced “stage one” of a national shutdown, he was asked directly what stage two would look like.

“You mentioned stage two of this shutdown. What is it, and what triggers it?” a reporter asked.

“Well stage two has not been defined, and it has not yet even been defined if it will be necessary,” Mr Morrison replied.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/healt ... 4f2428f5b5

Fucking useless, complete lack of leadership, the prick can’t even handle questions at his pressers!

Jacinta Ahern, Julia Gillard, smart cookies and real leaders.

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I think Scomo may have further screwed up with allowing citizens and residents immediate families to come to Australia as part of the repatriation package.

Does that mean that their parents who never lived in Australia as residents, will be allowed to reside here?

Maybe, I’m misunderstanding the meaning of his comments relating to the meaning of ‘immediate family'!

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Lol!
Peter Fox @Peter_Fox59

Christian pastor who thought COVID-19 is just ‘mass hysteria’ among the first in Virginia to die from virus https://t.co/s19aEoXVz6 via rawstory

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DonDeeHippy wrote:St Kilda Today.. you cant stop stupid... But Blame ScoMo, I'm sure you will find ways :)
They're idiots, and that's not Scotty from Marketing's fault.

However, he needs to be more assertive.

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Seriously incompetent.!
This Hairdresser debacle is just one truly mystifying aspect of his failure.

Hairdressing salons and barbers FFS,>// WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT.? They should be shut down yesterday.. I hope they have been by now.. but who knows..?? they don't want to operate, but for some reason the government does.! Go figure. It's got me fucked.!! :huh :WTF ?

Perhaps he has some special interest in good presentation?? :grn
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HBS Guy wrote:
On Sunday, when Mr Morrison announced “stage one” of a national shutdown, he was asked directly what stage two would look like.

“You mentioned stage two of this shutdown. What is it, and what triggers it?” a reporter asked.

“Well stage two has not been defined, and it has not yet even been defined if it will be necessary,” Mr Morrison replied.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/healt ... 4f2428f5b5

Fucking useless, complete lack of leadership, the prick can’t even handle questions at his pressers!

Jacinta Ahern, Julia Gillard, smart cookies and real leaders.
Yes that was very sad that press conference. :roll Just added to the confusion, and lack of cohesion.
Had to laugh at Micallef's Mad as Hell the other night. Lat night.? gosh.. yeah anyway he showed a clip of the Prime Minister, Scott Morrison !... saying the Department of Affairs and Foreign Trade .... :roll context unimportant ..

As Micallef pointed out he changed the Department.... from Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade DFAT

:roll :bgrin :bgrin :bgrin to

Department of Affairs and Foreign Trade DAFT.... :bgrin

Hilarious.. and//?? so sad for all of us.





What a ...............................poor leader.



Gillard, definitely a better leader.. Ardern.....likewise.

Penny Wong is a possible further leader, given the chance. Let us face it, the odds are against her.
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DonDeeHippy wrote:
johnsmith wrote:sorry Don, but you are wrong. She is not a lone voice. She is one of many
scomo seems to be listening only to the advice that marries with his ideology. That is wrong. Politics shouldn't be involved at all. He should leave it to the medics.
Well stop involving politics and Let his medical experts give him advise....
Currently, Australia does not have widespread community transmission of COVID-19. :thumb
:purple
he's not listening to the advice. .. only that which agrees with his ideology. Todays news had another 15000 doctors sign a letter telling scomo to go to a complete shut down. But he'll ignore them for the one or two voices that tell him it's not necessary
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greggerypeccary wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:St Kilda Today.. you cant stop stupid... But Blame ScoMo, I'm sure you will find ways :)
They're idiots, and that's not Scotty from Marketing's fault.

However, he needs to be more assertive.
not so sure he isn't at least partially to blame. How can it be unsafe to sit on the beach, 2 meters from others, when it's safe to sit at a hairdressers for an hour?

scomos sending mixed messages. Do that and people will choose the message they prefer, rather than the one they should listen to
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DonDeeHippy wrote:
johnsmith wrote:sorry Don, but you are wrong. She is not a lone voice. She is one of many
scomo seems to be listening only to the advice that marries with his ideology. That is wrong. Politics shouldn't be involved at all. He should leave it to the medics.
Well stop involving politics and Let his medical experts give him advise....
Currently, Australia does not have widespread community transmission of COVID-19. :thumb
:purple
what makes you think I'm running the country? :b
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DonDeeHippy wrote:………….
Currently, Australia does not have widespread community transmission of COVID-19. :thumb
:purple
Say it often enough and people might believe you. :roll :roll :roll :bike
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pinkeye wrote:
DonDeeHippy wrote:………….
Currently, Australia does not have widespread community transmission of COVID-19. :thumb
:purple
Say it often enough and people might believe you. :roll :roll :roll :bike
Not me saying it Pink.... That's the official government report on the disease…. It might change but I doubt it.. anything else is just fear ;)
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Not all cases are from contact with people that came from overseas recently so there is community transfer of the virus.
When Covid-19 broke out, CEPI’s leaders knew there were two projects it had funded that could be marshalled at lightning speed to protect the world from this major threat. One was in the United States and the other was at UQ, led by Professor Paul Young.

More money was needed, however. Almost three weeks ago, Halton wrote to Prime Minister Scott Morrison and the Australian government on behalf of CEPI, urging significant investment.

“We haven’t had a response yet,” Halton says
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Why are rightwing politicians so anti-science? Is it this religious shit that seems to infect politics in the last couple of decades? Leading up to the happy clapper idiot we have as PM?

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