Wars

MilesAway

Bongalong
Dax said:
HBS Guy said:
WW2 was all about religion, seems you've never read Mein Kamp or any of Hitlers speeches, the great christian Aryian race or the fact catholic Germany wanted to wipe out jews, who they blamed for the death of the non existent jesus.

Try again :grn
----->> ww2 was about democracy failing by allowing the election of a nutbag !

"Look out democracy!", was the lesson!
 

Dax

Active member
Bongalong said:
Dax said:
Bongalong said:
Dax said:
Get rid of the god cult and other insane ideological beliefs and you get rid of war, all wars are fought over religion and ideology.
Bullshit!
lets see you support your denial, name a war, conflict or invasion which hasn't been instigated, or involved god nutters in recorded history. In fact name a country god nutter haven't violently invaded and tried to wipe out the indigenous populations.
Why don't you tell us how the world got made without religion?
You mean the deranged claims on the bible and other god/s religions :rofl :rofl :rofl . Or the world of economic and profit growth and environmental destruction religions, sure it made a difference to the world, we see that in all the wars, collapsing ecology and envrionment.
Bongalong said:
----->> ww2 was about democracy failing by allowing the election of a nutbag !

"Look out democracy!", was the lesson! ]
History certainly isn't in your understanding is it, you need to read the facts. WW2 was all about creating a christian ayrian race controlling the world and that is what all Hitlers speeches were about, he claimed it was gods will that ayrians were fare superior to all other humans and he fought the war on these grounds.

Here's just a couple of links supporting what I say, my you people are so ignorant of reality, which fits with being simple clones. All you can do is believe the lies fed to you by your ideological masters, which is why we have so many wars and the planets ecological life is collapsing around us. There are many other links and all god nutter leaders use their religion to con the people to follow them, when you have stupidly dumb clones they just follow like lambs to the slaughter and it's happening today, but this is the real final solution, which nature will win easily and ideological humans will lose out completely.

https://www.thoughtco.com/adolf-hitler-on-god-quotes-248193

https://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/churchhistory/godandhitler/
 

jovialmo

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Hitler wasn’t religious, the persecution of the Jews was to capitalise on the emotions raised by Ludendkorf’s “Dochstoss” comment.
 

Dax

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HBS Guy said:
Hitler wasn’t religious, the persecution of the Jews was to capitalise on the emotions raised by Ludendkorf’s “Dochstoss” comment.
That's what the religious and apologists say about everyone who they want to disown, yet he protected the churches and they supported him throughout the war. His speeches and mein kamp are the truth, not the denials of the most evil cult on the planet. Keep supporting and apologising for religion, all cloned fools do.
 

Squire

Active member
The USA hasn't won a war since WW2.

Are MOAB's a waste that can never be used? They can't be used because the international public hates massive civilian deaths by smart bombs operated by dumb bombardiers.

Does the Pentagon start, or provoke, or create false flag attacks to ensure the inception of wars just for the purposes of military training and to dispose of munitions that are expiring and would have to be disposed of in the USA?
 

Texan

Active member
Squire said:
The USA hasn't won a war since WW2.

Are MOAB's a waste that can never be used? They can't be used because the international public hates massive civilian deaths by smart bombs operated by dumb bombardiers.

Does the Pentagon start, or provoke, or create false flag attacks to ensure the inception of wars just for the purposes of military training and to dispose of munitions that are expiring and would have to be disposed of in the USA?
MOAB requires a large, slow plane to deliver it. That means that you have to send in an advance force to clear the skies. MOAB is not something you send over to send a message without preparation.

Politicians are much nicer than I would be. I would fight a war to win and save American lives, and I wouldn't rebuild the enemy or pay reparations like we do in Japan. Every war we "lose" is "lost" by politicians tying our hands, not our troops.
 

Squire

Active member
Texan said:
Squire said:
The USA hasn't won a war since WW2.

Are MOAB's a waste that can never be used? They can't be used because the international public hates massive civilian deaths by smart bombs operated by dumb bombardiers.

Does the Pentagon start, or provoke, or create false flag attacks to ensure the inception of wars just for the purposes of military training and to dispose of munitions that are expiring and would have to be disposed of in the USA?
MOAB requires a large, slow plane to deliver it. That means that you have to send in an advance force to clear the skies. MOAB is not something you send over to send a message without preparation.

Politicians are much nicer than I would be. I would fight a war to win and save American lives, and I wouldn't rebuild the enemy or pay reparations like we do in Japan. Every war we "lose" is "lost" by politicians tying our hands, not our troops.
The only monies the US paid to Japanese was paltry compensation to Japanese Americans still living for wrongly imprisoning those Japanese Americans for the duration of the war. Reagan made those payments.

It's very arguable that the USA should pay reparations to Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos for monstrous crimes against humanity.

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/18/who-still-owes-what-for-the-two-world-wars.html
... The only Allied country who won but paid compensation was the USA, to Japan. In 1988, under the Civil Liberties Act, U.S. President, Ronald Reagan, apologized to the Japanese-Americans interned in camps during World War II and agreed to pay $20,000 to each surviving former detainee. ...
 

Dax

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Squire said:
The USA hasn't won a war since WW2.

Are MOAB's a waste that can never be used? They can't be used because the international public hates massive civilian deaths by smart bombs operated by dumb bombardiers.

Does the Pentagon start, or provoke, or create false flag attacks to ensure the inception of wars just for the purposes of military training and to dispose of munitions that are expiring and would have to be disposed of in the USA?
It's all about money, the USA is the biggest exporter of weapons on the planet and many USA politicians have vested interests in weapons manufacturers, including presidents and portfolio holders. Weapons export of a big part of the USA economy and manufacturers are big sup0porters of Trump and other politicians.

All people have to do is wake up from their disney land existence and open their eyes to see the truth, causalities don't matter to weapons manufacturers and politicians just power and money. That's why the USA enters and creates so many conflicts, they make lots of money by supplying both sides with weapons.

War is about god nutter elitism and money and that's why the churches support war, their mythical god is the self confessed god of war and that's all they've ever indulged in, war against everything and everyone.
 

jovialmo

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Nah, you are wrong, totally wrong about the big one. HM others are you totally wrong about?

US Revolution? Was about rich bastards wanting to invade and occupy Indian lands.

US civil war? Agrarian v industrial interests.

The Crusades? Looking for access to spices. Failure mean Vasco Da Gama etc tried to find sea routes to the spicelands.

UK civil war? Parliament v the Divine Right of Kings or traditional v the new ways of doing things: steam power etc.
 

Dax

Active member
HBS Guy said:
Nah, you are wrong, totally wrong about the big one. HM others are you totally wrong about?

US Revolution? Was about rich bastards wanting to invade and occupy Indian lands.

US civil war? Agrarian v industrial interests.

The Crusades? Looking for access to spices. Failure mean Vasco Da Gama etc tried to find sea routes to the spicelands.

UK civil war? Parliament v the Divine Right of Kings or traditional v the new ways of doing things: steam power etc.
What sunday school did you grow up in, talk about fantasy land delusions, you take the cake.

The US revolution was to free themselves from British control.

Us civil war was about slavery mostly.

The crusades were a religious war between muslims and chrsitians, to get control of the holy site in the middle east and nothing else.

And you went to school. :rofl

The UK civil war as between royalists and parliamentarians as to who should have the power.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
SethBullock said:
Islamist extremists don't tolerate other islamic extremists too well. The same things have happened in Afghanistan and Syria. Shabaab is aligned with Al Qaeda.

Shabaab kills pro-Islamic State commander
By Caleb Weiss | January 14th, 2019 | weiss.caleb2@gmail.com | @Weissenberg7

According to Somali website Garowe Online, Shabaab militants recently gunned down a pro-Islamic State commander in the southern Somali town of Bu’ale. Shabaab has not confirmed this event, but it rarely publicly comments on assassinations or executions of this nature.

Garowe states that “Yahya Haji Fiile, known as Abu Zakariye, was killed in the district after Shabaab intelligence linked him to the Islamic State in Somalia.” The article continues by stating that Fiile, a former top Shabaab commander, initially fell out with the jihadist group in 2016 after it killed Bashir Abu Numan.

Abu Numan was one of the first Shabaab commanders to defect to the Islamic State, but he was killed by Shabaab’s internal security force, the Amniyat, in late 2015. Since then, the Amniyat has hunted down and killed dozens of former Shabaab members and leaders who defected to the Islamic State or who professed pro-Islamic State sympathies.

https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2019/01/shabaab-kills-pro-islamic-state-commander.php
Al Shabob ..whatever you want to call them..? are like all other religious extremists.... MENTALLY ILL.

OR EVIL. But it has nothing to do with any god, just all about MONEY. They are all pirates, and will do whatever ill necessary. I despise them as criminals and heretics. :up :up :up
 

jovialmo

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Dax said:
HBS Guy said:
Nah, you are wrong, totally wrong about the big one. HM others are you totally wrong about?

US Revolution? Was about rich bastards wanting to invade and occupy Indian lands.

US civil war? Agrarian v industrial interests.

The Crusades? Looking for access to spices. Failure mean Vasco Da Gama etc tried to find sea routes to the spicelands.

UK civil war? Parliament v the Divine Right of Kings or traditional v the new ways of doing things: steam power etc.
What sunday school did you grow up in, talk about fantasy land delusions, you take the cake.

The US revolution was to free themselves from British control.

Us civil war was about slavery mostly.

The crusades were a religious war between muslims and chrsitians, to get control of the holy site in the middle east and nothing else.

And you went to school. :rofl

The UK civil war as between royalists and parliamentarians as to who should have the power.
Nope, you are very wrong.

US revolution was rich bastards wanting to invade Indian lands.

Civil War was not mainly about slavery.

Crusades were about finding a route to the spice lands, when they failed a sea route was sought.

You need to learn to think, try some reading.
 

Texan

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The US Revolution was the 13 colonies fighting for independence because of taxation without representation in British Parliament. The Boston Tea Party was a bunch of colonists disguising themselves as Indians and dumping British tea into the sea over a 1/2 % tax. I think that’s where you got Indians involved.

Battles with Indians lasted over 100 years. Mostly because Indians were nomadic and didn’t understand or appreciate the concept of private property. For the most part, they got screwed.

The Civil war was about the rights of states to secede. The big source of contention was the counting of slaves for government representation. So it was about slavery, but slavery wasn’t abolished in the North until 2 years into the war.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
Texan said:
The US Revolution was the 13 colonies fighting for independence because of taxation without representation in British Parliament. The Boston Tea Party was a bunch of colonists disguising themselves as Indians and dumping British tea into the sea over a 1/2 % tax. I think that’s where you got Indians involved.

Battles with Indians lasted over 100 years. Mostly because Indians were nomadic and didn’t understand or appreciate the concept of private property. For the most part, they got screwed.

The Civil war was about the rights of states to secede. The big source of contention was the counting of slaves for government representation. So it was about slavery, but slavery wasn’t abolished in the North until 2 years into the war.

Yes see we've never revolted here. There was an incident known as 'The Eureka Stockade' in one of our states, Victoria, way back in the late 1800's :roll where Miners of Gold got a bit feisty, but otherwise, the history of Australia is remarkably free of conflict.
Or at least,, since the aborigines were subdued anyway. :sad
Actually, I am amazed this remains true to this day.

Lately, with the Trump Agenda, we've had gormless idiots dressed like pretend fascists making a ruckus, ..with some other people who oppose them getting on the News :b :b


To me it seemed like a beat-up. Some propaganda machine somewhere came up with the idea, and :roll ? let their opposition in on it.

What garbage.


Australia has been very stable since our federation in 1901.
 

SethBullock

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President Donald Trump salutes as a military honor guard carries the remains of Scott Wirtz, a civilian employee of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency killed along with three members of the U.S. military during a recent attack in Syria, past during a dignified transfer ceremony at Dover Air Force Base, in Dover, Delaware, U.S., January 19, 2019.
 

Squire

Active member
SethBullock said:
President Donald Trump salutes as a military honor guard carries the remains of Scott Wirtz, a civilian employee of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency killed along with three members of the U.S. military during a recent attack in Syria, past during a dignified transfer ceremony at Dover Air Force Base, in Dover, Delaware, U.S., January 19, 2019.
How could this be?

Trump claimed total victory over ISIS.
 

SethBullock

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Squire said:
SethBullock said:
President Donald Trump salutes as a military honor guard carries the remains of Scott Wirtz, a civilian employee of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency killed along with three members of the U.S. military during a recent attack in Syria, past during a dignified transfer ceremony at Dover Air Force Base, in Dover, Delaware, U.S., January 19, 2019.
How could this be?

Trump claimed total victory over ISIS.
The goal was to take away the ground they controlled, which, at their height, was much of eastern Syria and virtually all of western Iraq. That goal has been achieved, and that is the victory.


It is unrealistic to expect that every last ISIS member could be killed, and clearly, terrorist cells will be an ongoing problem for the Syrians and Iraqis.
 

Squire

Active member
SethBullock said:
Squire said:
SethBullock said:
President Donald Trump salutes as a military honor guard carries the remains of Scott Wirtz, a civilian employee of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency killed along with three members of the U.S. military during a recent attack in Syria, past during a dignified transfer ceremony at Dover Air Force Base, in Dover, Delaware, U.S., January 19, 2019.
How could this be?

Trump claimed total victory over ISIS.
The goal was to take away the ground they controlled, which, at their height, was much of eastern Syria and virtually all of western Iraq. That goal has been achieved, and that is the victory.


It is unrealistic to expect that every last ISIS member could be killed, and clearly, terrorist cells will be an ongoing problem for the Syrians and Iraqis.
So Trump "took away the ground ISIS controlled" and they moved to the ground USA controls?

Wasn't the Pentagon bussing ISIS terrorists around Syria at one time?

ISIS evolved from Saudi Arabian jihad ideology and were financed and armed by Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states to destabilize Iraq.
 

SethBullock

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Staff member
Squire said:
SethBullock said:
Squire said:
SethBullock said:
President Donald Trump salutes as a military honor guard carries the remains of Scott Wirtz, a civilian employee of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency killed along with three members of the U.S. military during a recent attack in Syria, past during a dignified transfer ceremony at Dover Air Force Base, in Dover, Delaware, U.S., January 19, 2019.
How could this be?

Trump claimed total victory over ISIS.
The goal was to take away the ground they controlled, which, at their height, was much of eastern Syria and virtually all of western Iraq. That goal has been achieved, and that is the victory.


It is unrealistic to expect that every last ISIS member could be killed, and clearly, terrorist cells will be an ongoing problem for the Syrians and Iraqis.
So Trump "took away the ground ISIS controlled" and they moved to the ground USA controls?

Wasn't the Pentagon bussing ISIS terrorists around Syria at one time?

ISIS evolved from Saudi Arabian jihad ideology and were financed and armed by Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states to destabilize Iraq.
The U.S. should never have involved itself with Syria's civil war. If the U.S. hadn't done that, we wouldn't need to ask what the U.S. did in Syria. What I do know is that the Obama administration gave weapons and support to what they believed (or purported to believe) were "pro-democracy rebels." This support undermined the Syrian government and helped to create a loss of governance over a broad area of Syria. In this power vacuum, ISIS was able organize and take territory. ISIS was originally an Iraqi Al Qaeda (AQI) organization.

The specifics of what the U.S. did or didn't do are somewhat shrouded in secrecy. But what we know is that the U.S. gave lethal assistance and thereby helped fuel the civil war. I personally do not think the U.S. gave arms to known AQ or ISIS groups, but in the chaos, there is no doubt whatsoever that some U.S. arms ended up in their possession.

Obama ran for a president on a platform that the Iraq War was wrong and that he would quickly pull our troops out of Iraq. So his decisions to destroy Libya and to fuel a civil war in Syria utterly baffle me, and I was totally against both from Day 1.

I completely support Trump's intent to remove our troops from Syria. Other than knocking down ISIS, we have no business in Syria. I agree that our withdrawal should include some security guarantees for the Kurds. But we are capable of enforcing that security without boots on the ground, and so our troops should be withdrawn as soon as possible.

Our job there is done. Our troops in the air and on the ground have accomplished their mission, and I have nothing but the highest respect for them. Now, bring 'em home.
 
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