U.S. Elections

[johnsmith]

I think he's talking about how Obama did in those seats when he ran. Giving a comparison.

you can't compare them. It makes no sense. I think Trumps losing it big time.

 

[greggerypeccary]

you can't compare them. It makes no sense. I think Trumps losing it big time.

Oh, there's no doubt about that.

If he does run again in 2024, it'll be pretty funny.

He'll be little more than a dribbling vegetable by then.

 

[DreamRyderX]

Per the MSM count, across America President Trump got more Popular Votes, by over 7 million votes -- closer to 8 million, than Barrack Hussein Obama ever got running for President.

Per the MSM, only one person in US History might have gotten more than President Trump......but, Barrack Hussein Obama doesn't even get close to President Trump's popularity. All the BHO fella was, was a failed experiment.....

 

[greggerypeccary]

Per the MSM count, across America President Trump got more Popular Votes, by over 7 million votes -- closer to 8 million, than Barrack Hussein Obama ever got running for President.

Per the MSM, only one person in US History might have gotten more than President Trump......but, Barrack Hussein Obama didn't even get close to President Trump..

The failed businessman wasn't up against Obama though.

He was up against Joe Biden, and Joe beat the impeached outgoing president by more than 6,000,000 votes.

That's double the number Hillary beat the tax dodger by.

 

[mothra]

I never did that. If that's what you think, then you missed my point, and perhaps I didn't articulate it well enough.

My point was that, although there may be a rise in murders committed by right wing extremists, these numbers can be influenced up or down by just one event. And my point is also that America is not devolving into right wing extremism. And my final point was that if we're going use statistics and numbers, then it is only intellectually honest to look at all the numbers, not just certain ones. And when we do that, we note that of the 16,000+ murders that occurred in the U.S. in 2019, only 34 were attributed to right wing extremists, and one of those events accounted for 22 of those deaths. I wouldn't be surprised if that one guy skewed the numbers upward for 2019 over 2018.

When you look at 16,000 vs 34, what that does is give us some perspective. Those 34 are not even 1% of the murders. They are about two tenths of 1%. One poster told me I was in great danger because of right wing extremists! Good grief!

And, to add further perspective, I spoke of the tragic statistics relating to black Americans. 8000 out of those 16000 murders, and yet they only represent 13% of the population. If we are looking for a crisis, that is it, not the 0.2% committed by right wing extremists. I feel strongly, and I have for a long time, that America should put its good faith efforts towards reversing that statistic. But in order to do that, we must be able to talk about it without fear and recriminations, without accusations of racism, just honestly and openly, and for some reason, we just can't do that, which I find sad.



I actually have already done this - studied the problem, its history and causes.



I listened to the first part of it, and it sounds interesting. I don't know if I'll learn anything I didn't already know, but I'll give it a shot.

Seth

Yet despite all that, you still said black men over gang related violence and you still said it isn't discussed. Despite claiming to have read many of those discussions.

My point is simple; don't be inflammatory in your speech and conversation is possible.

 

[MilesAway]

Yet despite all that, you still said black men over gang related violence and you still said it isn't discussed. Despite claiming to have read many of those discussions.

My point is simple; don't be inflammatory in your speech and conversation is possible.

Why is nothing a witch says ever inflammatory?

 

[SethBullock]

Yet despite all that, you still said black men over gang related violence and you still said it isn't discussed. Despite claiming to have read many of those discussions.

My point is simple; don't be inflammatory in your speech and conversation is possible.

I said black men because it IS black men.

Mothra, don’t you see that you are doing? Your words are the example of why we don’t talk about this in the U.S.

“It’s inflammatory.”

It’s the truth, but “it’s inflammatory.”

So our leaders just shut up, and everyone looks the other way, and nothing changes.

 

[mothra]

I said black men because it IS black men.

Mothra, don’t you see that you are doing? Your words are the example of why we don’t talk about this in the U.S.

“It’s inflammatory.”

It’s the truth, but “it’s inflammatory.”

So our leaders just shut up, and everyone looks the other way, and nothing changes.

But it's not black men, Seth. It's gang members. Have you not noticed you've a problem with racial profiling in your country? The rest of the world has. We've noticed how your young black men are profiled.

And as to you not having conversations about it. You just got through telling me how very much you'd read. Where did that come from? Who is shutting down these conversations, Seth? Seems it is you in this instance, trying to spin it all back to me. It was you who made the claim ... black violence is what, Seth? My words are not the example of why this isn't talked about, it's the compulsion to make it a genetic over a socio-political argument that makes it impossible to talk about. Something your words, not mine, lead straight towards.

The truth isn't inflammatory, Seth, The truth is gobsmackingly obvious. But so sensitive is the subject matter, we need people to be mindful of what they say. You were light years from mindful. What you said fed prejudice.

And when cornered what do you do? Tell me i;m shutting down discourse. So starkly typical. Trump has relied on it.

 

[SethBullock]

But it's not black men, Seth. It's gang members. Have you not noticed you've a problem with racial profiling in your country? The rest of the world has. We've noticed how your young black men are profiled.

And as to you not having conversations about it. You just got through telling me how very much you'd read. Where did that come from? Who is shutting down these conversations, Seth? Seems it is you in this instance, trying to spin it all back to me. It was you who made the claim ... black violence is what, Seth? My words are not the example of why this isn't talked about, it's the compulsion to make it a genetic over a socio-political argument that makes it impossible to talk about. Something your words, not mine, lead straight towards.

The truth isn't inflammatory, Seth, The truth is gobsmackingly obvious. But so sensitive is the subject matter, we need people to be mindful of what they say. You were light years from mindful. What you said fed prejudice.

And when cornered what do you do? Tell me i;m shutting down discourse. So starkly typical. Trump has relied on it.

The statistics come from the FBI. Now a lot of that violence IS gang related and some of it isn’t. The FBI doesn’t track that. It does track crimes by race however.

What I said, mothra, is that there is a serious problem within that community, far far greater than the threat posed by extremists on the right or left.

And again, you made the point for me.

“What you said fed prejudice.”

So rather than being accused of feeding prejudice, rather than being branded a racist, people just shut up about it. They are bullied into silence by words like the ones you just used on me. Meanwhile, the carnage continues ...

Mothra, I’m trying really hard here to be understood.

 

[mothra]

The statistics come from the FBI. Now a lot of that violence IS gang related and some of it isn’t. The FBI doesn’t track that. It does track crimes by race however.

What I said, mothra, is that there is a serious problem within that community, far far greater than the threat posed by extremists on the right or left.

And again, you made the point for me.

“What you said fed prejudice.”

So rather than being accused of feeding prejudice, rather than being branded a racist, people just shut up about it. They are bullied into silence by words like the ones you just used on me. Meanwhile, the carnage continues ...

Mothra, I’m trying really hard here to be understood.

If you want to be understood, don't equate black violence to far right extremist violence. It is disingenuous and dangerous.

I simply can't think of any other ways to get that across to you.

 

[SethBullock]

If you want to be understood, don't equate black violence to far right extremist violence. It is disingenuous and dangerous.

I simply can't think of any other ways to get that across to you.

I’m not equating it!

When I have people here telling me I should live in quaking fear of right wing extremists who are apparently EVERYWHERE just waiting to ambush me,

what I TRIED to do was to do was to try to put the threat they pose into perspective. And statistics show us that the threat they pose is just a couple of ticks above zero.

But we can talk about that for days on end, as long as we ignore the elephant in the room, right? How disingenuous is that?

Your words to me today are EXACTLY why we ignore the elephant. You have validated my point that we get bullied into silence almost instantly if we dare to ask about the elephant in the room.

And next year, another 8000, and another and another in the years to come.

But “Shhhh!”

You’re a nurse, right? You don’t deal in a fantasy world. You see hard things to see, I’ll bet.

The same goes for me, and I’ve learned some things over the years.

One of those is that serious problems have to be faced, confronted, dealt with. We may wish to ignore them - just put them out of our minds. Or maybe just run away from it ... the easy way.

But I have an aversion to that, and I’m not going to apologize for it. I therefore have an aversion to hypocrisy and political correctness and double standards, and I’m not going to be bullied into silence.

We are all Americans over here. And if a segment of our people is in crisis, then we should be doing everything in our power to face it and have a conversation about how to fix it.

We should not be bullying each other into silence.

 

[DreamRyderX]

Spot on Seth.......Spot on!!!!!!!......

“The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” ​

“Do what is right, not what is easy nor what is popular.” ​

....

 

[Squire]

Right-wing extremists are comforting each other while they blubber over the demise of Donald Trump.

Right-wing extremists talk about truth because talk is cheap but they react with joy and cheering to lies uttered or published by Donald Trump and join with howling mobs of losers, the gullible, and the demented, driven by Trump's lies.

 

[DreamRyderX]

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

QUOTE="SethBullock, post: 171162, member: 292"]
Black Americans make up about 13% of our population. Close to half of all of our murders are committed by black males. If black Americans are 13%, then black males are about 6.5%. That’s the thing we are not allowed to talk about, around 8000 murders. We are allowed, however, to talk about 34 murders committed by right wing extremists.
[/QUOTE]

More of the same ethnic stereotyping and half-truths. Demonizing and conformationally biasing a race, based only on selective and misrepresented facts. There are only two arguments that have been used to try to explain Black violence in America. The genetic argument, or the search for the "crime gene"(Serotonin Gene) in Blacks(and in other minorities). Or, the socioeconomic class argument. Both fail under the weight of the facts and commonsense.

Yes it is true that 13% of the US population are Black Americans. And, it is also true that less than 1% of that population commit violet crimes in only certain parts of the entire US. And yes, Black Americans, commit the highest number of crimes, in only two of the 30 categories, in the FBI's UCR. Or, two out of the 5 violent crime categories. Looking at the statistics, I would certainly be more afraid of a White American raping me than any Black American.

Unfortunately, I don't have enough time today to put this nonsense to rest. So, I'll have to continue at another time. Suffice to say, that these self-serving arguments(without context), represent the same old story. Just more middle-aged White guys bitching about Minorities.

 

[pinkeye]

Oh, there's no doubt about that.

If he does run again in 2024, it'll be pretty funny.

He'll be little more than a dribbling vegetable by then.

Jeez he's approaching that NOW.

 

[pinkeye]

No, not 13% of males. Black people, males and females, make up 13% of our population. This means that about 6.5% of our population is black males. That demographic, black males, commits a little under 50% of all murders in the U.S. We had 16,000+ murders in the U.S. in 2019. This means that black males committed about 8,000 of them - half.

So we have a demographic that represents about 6.5% of our entire population, and that demographic commits about half of all murders.

My point was not to pick on black people. My point was to cast a light on the fact that if one right wing extremist commits a murder, we are allowed to become nearly hysterical and declare an impending end to the U.S. as we know it. And an article was posted here saying that right wing extremists killed 34 people in 2019.

I'm not excusing those right wing extremist a-holes. I can't stand those degenerates. But what bothers me is that we are not allowed to talk about the 8,000 victims who are dead at the hands of black males, only the 34 dead at the hands of right wing extremists. Who is doing more harm?

You're talking about it. aren't you.?

 

[SethBullock]

You're talking about it. aren't you.?

Yeah ... on an internet forum. It's almost never talked about publicly as a national issue by leaders or the mainstream media.

 

[pinkeye]

Because....?

Afraid of what your fellow Americans might think...?

 

[DonDeeHippy]