U.S. Elections

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
If you WERE able to realize anything, then it SHOULD be quickly forgotten. And, if someone needs to pay you to do something, then what you do is NOT worth a cent.
If your insult ends up another boring rant, then you're just trying to hard. As far as insiuults go, that was pathetic. My 11 year old has more imagination than you.

Do you even know what being a Liberal even means, dumb-dumb?
Do you understand what the LIBERAL PARTY is yet you moron?


(I think Shell didn't read what was written again has made up his own story )
I don't think he has a clue what he's on about :ROFL1:ROFL1:ROFL1
 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
he's a liberal party voter

he didn't say I was liberal, he said I voted for the Liberals.....you really have to read what people say and not make up stories of what they have said.....
if your trying to prove I don't vote for the Liberal Party then go ahead, anything else is just shit made up in your mind....
I told you he didn't have a clue:ROFL1:ROFL1
 

johnsmith

Moderator
Staff member
Oh, okay! So other than the mechanics of a person voting Liberal, what exactly are you trying to say? That people voting Liberal are NOT Liberals? Do people voting Liberal, not believe in Liberal values? So, again, what does Liberal actually mean? Surely, you must know the difference, right?

The Australian Liberal party is anything but liberal you moron
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
It doesn't matter whether I have a clue or not dumb-dumbs. It doesn't matter if I do/don't know that Liberalism doesn't apply to the Liberal Party, dumb-dumbs(which it does by the way, Conservative liberalism-LP and Socialist liberalism-ALP). But neither of you would have a clue about center left and right political ideologies. It doesn't matter whether or not I know that the Liberal Party is NOT the same as the Democratic Party, dumb-dumbs. I was NOT asking myself this question. All these deflections, strawman, and talking about everything to avoid answering the question, is certainly expected, irrelevant, and entertaining. So let me rephrase the question, in another attempt to get an answer.

"Do you even know what being a Liberal Conservative even means, dumb-dumbs?".

If your insult ends up another boring rant, then you're just trying to hard. As far as insiuults go, that was pathetic. My 11 year old has more imagination than you.
This is NOT an insult moron. This is stating my well founded opinion of you. And, if your 11 year old has any imagination at all, then PLEASE, let him write your posts in the future! He couldn't do any worse. And, he certainly would be more honest. Regarding insults, you are just too funny to be insulted properly.
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
The Australian Liberal party should rename themselves the Australian conservative party ... much more in keeping with their ideology
again here is the definition of Liberalism John......
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion


We Believe:

In the inalienable rights and freedoms of all peoples; and we work towards a lean government that minimises interference in our daily lives; and maximises individual and private sector initiative

In government that nurtures and encourages its citizens through incentive, rather than putting limits on people through the punishing disincentives of burdensome taxes and the stifling structures of Labor's corporate state and bureaucratic red tape.

In those most basic freedoms of parliamentary democracy - the freedom of thought, worship, speech and association.

In a just and humane society in which the importance of the family and the role of law and justice is maintained.

In equal opportunity for all Australians; and the encouragement and facilitation of wealth so that all may enjoy the highest possible standards of living, health, education and social justice.

That, wherever possible, government should not compete with an efficient private sector; and that businesses and individuals - not government - are the true creators of wealth and employment.

In preserving Australia's natural beauty and the environment for future generations.

That our nation has a constructive role to play in maintaining world peace and democracy through alliance with other free nations.

In short, we simply believe in individual freedom and free enterprise; and if you share this belief, then ours is the Party for you.




where you get confused is American Liberalism



https://www.britannica.com/topic/liberalism
In the United States liberalism is associated with the welfare-state policies of the New Deal program of the Democratic administration of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt, whereas in Europe it is more commonly associated with a commitment to limited government and laissez-faire economic policies (see below Contemporary liberalism).

We follow the European model that is commonly associated with a limited government....
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
So anyway
it seems , after his utter fail at the G20 ? I THINK

Trump is NOW setting up a looney defense.. He has lost .. so has to face the music... UNLESS ??

I am NOT CRAZY, I just act that way,, what wha wha?? No I AM the PRESIDENT..!!...

He can't retain power so he will try to slide out of his future by claiming he is incompetent... after all NO President of the US would actually be golfing every other day or so, at this time, ... IF he had a clue.
Would he.??
 

Auggie

Active member
again here is the definition of Liberalism John......
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion


We Believe:

In the inalienable rights and freedoms of all peoples; and we work towards a lean government that minimises interference in our daily lives; and maximises individual and private sector initiative

In government that nurtures and encourages its citizens through incentive, rather than putting limits on people through the punishing disincentives of burdensome taxes and the stifling structures of Labor's corporate state and bureaucratic red tape.

In those most basic freedoms of parliamentary democracy - the freedom of thought, worship, speech and association.

In a just and humane society in which the importance of the family and the role of law and justice is maintained.

In equal opportunity for all Australians; and the encouragement and facilitation of wealth so that all may enjoy the highest possible standards of living, health, education and social justice.

That, wherever possible, government should not compete with an efficient private sector; and that businesses and individuals - not government - are the true creators of wealth and employment.

In preserving Australia's natural beauty and the environment for future generations.

That our nation has a constructive role to play in maintaining world peace and democracy through alliance with other free nations.

In short, we simply believe in individual freedom and free enterprise; and if you share this belief, then ours is the Party for you.




where you get confused is American Liberalism



https://www.britannica.com/topic/liberalism
In the United States liberalism is associated with the welfare-state policies of the New Deal program of the Democratic administration of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt, whereas in Europe it is more commonly associated with a commitment to limited government and laissez-faire economic policies (see below Contemporary liberalism).

We follow the European model that is commonly associated with a limited government....
Conservatism adopted (classical) liberal economics long ago, so it's not inaccurate to call the Liberal Party a conservative party.

American liberalism is more correctly referred to as 'social liberalism'.
 

Auggie

Active member
or to call them a Liberal party........
Mmm, see, this is where the labelling gets all over the place. Conservatives are classical liberals, but modern-day liberals are actually social liberals.

Conservatives are conserving classical liberalism whereas modern liberals have adapted liberalism to meet modern challenges. So, in effect, it is incorrect to call the Liberal Party a 'liberal' party, because they're not liberals.
 
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