U.S. Elections

[SethBullock]

Yes I know what you said. He clearly wanted a war with Iran and he may strike their nuclear reactor and when Iran responds—I have to stay as POTUS to combat the unprovoked attacks from Iran.

With or without war, he cannot stay once the election is certified in the states and the Electoral College votes.

 

[Aussie]

This is the sort of fuckwittery the right are bunging on at the Yank Forum. Total bullshit and even Humpty Trumpty brought into the absolute crap.

Michigan Board Will Not Certify Election - Major Fraud Discovered!

The Wayne County Board of Canvassers deadlocked 2-2 Tuesday along party lines on whether the county's Nov. 3 election results should be certified,...

www.politicalforum.com

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

I think that if you read through my other remarks on this thread, you will find that I do not condone violence by anyone on any side. However, I do think people do have a right to defend themselves - even Trump supporters. The idea of a Trump supporter actually fighting back against an unprovoked assault is horrifying to the members of this site, but their horror is unsurprising. I have also made the point that ultimately it is the choices we make that usually control the consequences. The Antifa fascist who fought the Trump supporters made a choice.

People on the site are having a hard time grasping what I’m saying, even though we go through our daily lives constantly making choices and considering consequences. It seems that when there is a political component to the conversation, reason and comprehension get thrown out with the bath water.

Seth, even if the victim was holding a poster, depicting Trump giving Obama a BJ, and being punked out by Biden at the same time, it would still not be enough to justify 30 people gang assaulting the victim for his provocation. Even if a Black American man walked into a Klan's meeting with poster of him bumping ugly with with the wife of the Grand Wizard, it is still not enough! In fact, no amount of provocation, can justify 30 people assaulting one. There is no such thing as a justifiable attack by 30 people assaulting one!!! But yes, people do have the right to defend themselves. And yes, people are responsible for their own actions. But none of these things are relevant to justifying 30 people assaulting one person.

You are just trying to defend the indefensible. And, the hole is just getting deeper and deeper. If you are saying that the Trump supporters were provoked by the presence of anti-Trump protestors, then I agree. But if you are saying that the violence was justified by provocation, then no one could agree with you(except those 30). Just stop defending with these silly irrelevant side issues.

To answer your questions, I can’t stand white supremacists. I have dealt with them directly in my law enforcement career, and I really can’t stand them. I have nothing in common with them.

Glad to hear that.

You say there is no justification for voting for Trump a second time. The problem is that I don’t agree with the Democrats’ agenda, and my belief is that Joe is corrupt and that he is owned by China. Under the circumstances, there was no way I could vote for him. I voted for Tulsi Gabbard in the primaries and Trump in the general election.

Let's say you could not vote for Biden, because this one man is owned by China, is a Democrat, is corrupt. Then why vote for someone who is infinitely worse? Instead of a protest vote, you could have written in a candidate(I did). Clearly, the majority of the American society, and the rest of the world couldn't all be wrong about Trump. Clearly his dismal and lunatic record as President must have set off some alarms bells? Joe may only be corporate America's stooge, but he won't be reckless out of ignorance. His decisions won't be based on telling people only what they want to hear, or to stroke his own ego. I just don't see his appeal. He has been a complete world-class embarrassment for the last 4 year, with thousands of facts to back it up. And, his private life is even worse.

And the Antifa fascists? That is an epithet, with notes of irony and a sprinkling of sarcasm added in. And they have more similarities with fascists than they do differences, in my opinion, so that shall be how I describe them.

How do you have a movement that claims to be anti-fascist, but also is fascist at the same time? From what I have read, they are not a Fascist movement, like the skin heads, the Neo-Nazis, or White Supremist groups. In fact, they oppose the ideologies of these real fascist groups. But since this is only your opinion, you can describe them anyway you want to fit your narrative.

 

[hatty]

seems seth has been getting misinformation from the same mob as trump........

shout out to fox news

 

[DonDeeHippy]

Trump now has more failed lawsuits than Hunter Biden has laptops

 

[MilesAway]

Really? You've missed all of the cases of alt-right protesters starting fires, vandalising, shooting, and causing disturbances in which to frame Antifa and start a culture war?

How have you missed all of this? The FBI hasn't. I suspect you've missed it wilfully.

 

[MilesAway]

More than violence, as odious as that in itself is ... bloodlust.

 

[MilesAway]

But Hillary ...

 

[MilesAway]

He point blank said the guy "[p" deserved it, based entirely on his one-eyed prejudice of Antifa and his desire to demonise the victim.

Don't make excuses for him. It's every bit as sickening as the original sentiment.

 

[MilesAway]

I think the question should be asked ... what kind of a bottom feeder joins in with a gang of 30 odd people to beat mercilessly one person?

Who thinks,. "I know, i'll get in on that"?

A severely socially maladjusted person, that's who. Seems they run in packs.

 

[MilesAway]

Seth, you are just digging a deeper hole, my friend. There is no moral or legal justification, for 30 people to assault one person. I don't care if he was attacking a little girl in the center of main street. I would personal kill him myself, but NOT a crowd of 30. There is no example you can conjure up, or logically construe, that would justify 30 people attacking one person!! Unless you want to include the bloodlust of a mob as part of your cause and effect theory. Your example is far too general, and assumes that the driver's actions were deliberate, and without any justifications(medical emergency, medical conditions, rare occurrence, fleeing, etc.). to just assume that this will apply directly to 30 people assaulting 1 person. You are essentially saying, that it was the victims fault for just being there! Therefore, it was the victim's fault for causing his own assault. This is wrong on so many levels. And, the more you defend this irrational position, the deeper you will bury your true position.

Why do you call Antifa(anti-FAscist), fascists and thugs? Do you support the ideology of the "proud boys" neo-Nazis, white nationalists, the ku klux klan, or any other far right extremist groups? Are you suggesting that this anti-fascist movement condones racism, is anti-liberal, promotes violence, is a militant group, or is anti-constitution and the rule of law? Trump is a moronic megalomaniac, an authoritarian fascists, and a divisive separatist. But, our constitution has prevented him from doing too much harm. He is suppose to be the President for ALL the people, NOT just for his base.

I can understand voting for Trump the first time. But, after four years of his insanity, there is no justification for voting for him for a second term. I also don't understand your obsession with ideologies. People are NOT one dimensional thinkers. Fascism, liberalism, and conservatism are not real things to label real people with(reification fallacy). They are just social ideologies, and abstract beliefs. No person can be characterized as an ideological label.

Trump simply tapped into, and have exposed the real underbelly of American's xenophobes, separatists, racists and closet bigots, Islamophobes, homophobes, cons, simpletons, nationalists, liars, thieves, and other criminals like himself. He ran his presidency like his business. It was entirely based on fear and blind loyalty. Fortunately, all the king's men and lackey's will also leave with him. Hopefully, this stain in American history will be removed, and my country will begin the process of healing.

I respect your opinions greatly. And, you have always been the voice of reason. But in this case, your loyalties are misplaced, and your view is legally, and morally just plain wrong.

 

[MilesAway]

You're not getting it. It doesn't matter what he did. He didn't deserve to be beset by 30 thugs.

And you've no idea he did anything at all. You're just blaming the victim because you don't like the victim.

 

[DonDeeHippy]

This happened in August and according to Seth he deserved it

However, some protesters say Haner was an agitator who deliberately drove toward the crowds to stir up trouble.

A look into his recent social media activity revealed that he has shared memes poking fun at Black Lives Matter protests.

One of his posts read: 'Would it be wrong to follow rioters home and burn down their properties? Asking for a friend.'

Haner has denied deliberately trying to provoke the protesters.

as Seth says he poked the bear, it least it was only one and not 30 but hey...
the man responsible turned himself in and is in prison so the Democrat government didn't let this thug go... what point are you trying to make here Miles ???? after all you did post it up 6 times.........

Concidering we are talking about post election violence what is the relevance ?

 

[MilesAway]

seth you certainly didn't condemn it............. just admit it...... america is a shit show where thugs are fighting in the streets.

and its trumps fault!........... i don't remember this shit when obama was in office.

hhhmmmmm ......... more guns and ammo is the cure methinks

/sarcasm

 

[MilesAway]

Seth, even if the victim was holding a poster, depicting Trump giving Obama a BJ, and being punked out by Biden at the same time, it would still not be enough to justify 30 people gang assaulting the victim for his provocation. Even if a Black American man walked into a Klan's meeting with poster of him bumping ugly with with the wife of the Grand Wizard, it is still not enough! In fact, no amount of provocation, can justify 30 people assaulting one. There is no such thing as a justifiable attack by 30 people assaulting one!!! But yes, people do have the right to defend themselves. And yes, people are responsible for their own actions. But none of these things are relevant to justifying 30 people assaulting one person.

You are just trying to defend the indefensible. And, the hole is just getting deeper and deeper. If you are saying that the Trump supporters were provoked by the presence of anti-Trump protestors, then I agree. But if you are saying that the violence was justified by provocation, then no one could agree with you(except those 30). Just stop defending with these silly irrelevant side issues.



Glad to hear that.



Let's say you could not vote for Biden, because this one man is owned by China, is a Democrat, is corrupt. Then why vote for someone who is infinitely worse? Instead of a protest vote, you could have written in a candidate(I did). Clearly, the majority of the American society, and the rest of the world couldn't all be wrong about Trump. Clearly his dismal and lunatic record as President must have set off some alarms bells? Joe may only be corporate America's stooge, but he won't be reckless out of ignorance. His decisions won't be based on telling people only what they want to hear, or to stroke his own ego. I just don't see his appeal. He has been a complete world-class embarrassment for the last 4 year, with thousands of facts to back it up. And, his private life is even worse.



How do you have a movement that claims to be anti-fascist, but also is fascist at the same time? From what I have read, they are not a Fascist movement, like the skin heads, the Neo-Nazis, or White Supremist groups. In fact, they oppose the ideologies of these real fascist groups. But since this is only your opinion, you can describe them anyway you want to fit your narrative.

 

[MilesAway]

This happened in August and according to Seth he deserved it

However, some protesters say Haner was an agitator who deliberately drove toward the crowds to stir up trouble.

A look into his recent social media activity revealed that he has shared memes poking fun at Black Lives Matter protests.

One of his posts read: 'Would it be wrong to follow rioters home and burn down their properties? Asking for a friend.'

Haner has denied deliberately trying to provoke the protesters.

as Seth says he poked the bear, it least it was only one and not 30 but hey...
the man responsible turned himself in and is in prison so the Democrat government didn't let this thug go... what point are you trying to make here Miles ???? after all you did post it up 6 times.........

Concidering we are talking about post election violence what is the relevance ?

So now we're saying two wrongs make a right?

 

[DonDeeHippy]

this is from 3 days ago Miles care to comment ???????

notice the proud boys very heroically dragging one protestor out and surround them as they all kick the shit out them.... very Proud indeed....

 

[DonDeeHippy]

So now we're saying two wrongs make a right?

nope Seth is saying that, he thinks It's justifiable to have 30 proud boys beat up one protestor

what do you think Miles ?????

 

[Squire]

Seth has elastic-sided morals.

 

[hatty]

30 thugs who were encouraged to by the FORMER president.

"proud boys..... stand back and stand by" is what he said

that filthy, lying, orange, pussy grabbing, grifter, failed businessman, tax cheat, and all around arsehole should be charged with conspiracy for inciting that