U.S. Elections

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
Our primaries are winnowing down the Democratic candidates.

Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden are going to slug it out for the Democratic nomination.

Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, Tom Steyer, and Mike Bloomberg have all dropped out. Elizabeth Warren, our fake Native American, is expected to drop out very soon, perhaps within days.

Bernie is the candidate of the far left. He is an avowed socialist. Biden represents the more pro-establishment liberalism espoused by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

Joe is 77 years old, and his mental acuity is slipping. Almost every day, he shows it. And he and his son are entangled in the Ukraine/Burisma corruption.

Bernie says nice things about Cuba.

Your thoughts?
 

Aussie1

Administrator
I'd rather have Bernie than Biden. I guess there are good things to be said about many different countries including places like Cuba. I'll bet there are many things on Goggle where Trump was enthusiastic in one way or another about Cuba.

I am not a Biden fan. He ought to have had the sense to get Hunter out of Ukraine. Yes, he does slip up on minor issues, but there is another bloke in a Leadership position there who is just as bad.

But, this is about the Dems so I'll do my best not to Trump bash.

As for Pocohantas.....she has no public image appeal. Looks and sounds whiney.

I do hope Clinton stays out of it. She does not help but she believes she can so I expect her to leap in at some stage.

Shame to see Buttegeig go. He offered fresh air and new blood but probably far too young.
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
SethBullock said:
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Joe is 77 years old, and his mental acuity is slipping. Almost every day, he shows it. And he and his son are entangled in the Ukraine/Burisma corruption.
Trump is 73 years old, and his mental acuity is gone.
 

jovialmo

Administrator
Staff member
If they think Trumpy will win, let an old war horse have his last hurrah. If they think they can win—need someone capable of doing the job. I have not much idea of the candidates but know Biden collected a heap of baggage through his son (not that the son really did anything wrong to my knowledge—Trumpy did wrong, trying to get partisan advantage from a foreign country, fuck that shit right off!

So Bernie I guess. We had a PM who was born old and did much damage for 12 years, riding a boom, giving huge tax cuts to the rich, no infrastructure spend to speak of. So Bernie should be able to bumble his way through 4 years. You might even get a decent health insurance out of it and if Bernie can do that he will be a great President. If he can reverse some of the foul neoliberalism of the last whatever decades (since Reagan—talking of old and past it!) then he will be one of your best.
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
Sanders is one of my hero's and ive posted here about him before. No scandle, true to his word and he has never waivered from his core beliefs.....He is a democratic socialist, not a socialist there is a huge difference, Just look how the Scandinavian countries are run, free medical, education and high living conditions, all the things every country should try to emulate.....
Basicaly they try to put their populations welfare ahead of business... It's never good for voters the other way :purple
 

Aussie1

Administrator
HBS Guy said:
If they think Trumpy will win, let an old war horse have his last hurrah. If they think they can win—need someone capable of doing the job. I have not much idea of the candidates but know Biden collected a heap of baggage through his son (not that the son really did anything wrong to my knowledge—Trumpy did wrong, trying to get partisan advantage from a foreign country, fuck that shit right off!

So Bernie I guess. We had a PM who was born old and did much damage for 12 years, riding a boom, giving huge tax cuts to the rich, no infrastructure spend to speak of. So Bernie should be able to bumble his way through 4 years. You might even get a decent health insurance out of it and if Bernie can do that he will be a great President. If he can reverse some of the foul neoliberalism of the last whatever decades (since Reagan—talking of old and past it!) then he will be one of your best.
Ya see, Monk, that is the socialist coming out. Bernie is blatantly for socialising stuff like universal health care (what a dreadful idea that is) child care (what a dreadful idea that is,) and Uni fees (what a dreadful idea that is) and he is open about making the rich billionaires paying for it. All sounds great, but I am not confident he is on top of the maths.
 

jovialmo

Administrator
Staff member
Hence the “I guess.” I have not been paying much attention to US politics lately.

I have come across instances where US government bodies have been underfunded, scientists leaving etc. Trumpy has coated on Obama’s policies and economy but a recession or coronavirus or both will show how rotten the US govt has become.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
greggerypeccary said:
SethBullock said:
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Joe is 77 years old, and his mental acuity is slipping. Almost every day, he shows it. And he and his son are entangled in the Ukraine/Burisma corruption.
Trump is 73 years old, and his mental acuity is gone.
Indeed.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
DonDeeHippy said:
Sanders is one of my hero's and ive posted here about him before. No scandle, true to his word and he has never waivered from his core beliefs.....He is a democratic socialist, not a socialist there is a huge difference, Just look how the Scandinavian countries are run, free medical, education and high living conditions, all the things every country should try to emulate.....
Basicaly they try to put their populations welfare ahead of business... It's never good for voters the other way :purple
Yes I will add a comment .. I also would prefer Sanders to Biden.

Realistically tho..?
..we are now in the age of folk who live longer... :roll


who knows..? :yak yak .. :beer

whoever it is ?? Trump will win I suspect. AND, he'll do a chinese switcheroo, and try and get MORE chances at Presidential Terms. Like the Chinese.. President for Life. :roll
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
Aussie said:
I'd rather have Bernie than Biden. I guess there are good things to be said about many different countries including places like Cuba. I'll bet there are many things on Goggle where Trump was enthusiastic in one way or another about Cuba.

I am not a Biden fan. He ought to have had the sense to get Hunter out of Ukraine. Yes, he does slip up on minor issues, but there is another bloke in a Leadership position there who is just as bad.

But, this is about the Dems so I'll do my best not to Trump bash.

As for Pocohantas.....she has no public image appeal. Looks and sounds whiney.

I do hope Clinton stays out of it. She does not help but she believes she can so I expect her to leap in at some stage.

Shame to see Buttegeig go. He offered fresh air and new blood but probably far too young.
Unlike many Trump supporters, I think the presidency is up for grabs in November. I would say that Trump has only a 50-50 chance of being reelected. One dynamic that is hard to measure is what Bernie's hardcore supporters will do in the general election if Bernie isn't the nominee. I'm sure a lot of them would vote for Biden, but there is a belief among them that the Democratic establishment is against Bernie, as it was in 2016. There is residual anger and resentment over that, so that could be a factor if they feel that the Democratic Party establishment once again conspired against Bernie.

Bernie is to the left of Biden, but I'd almost rather have him as president because, if nothing else, like Trump, you know where he stands on things. Joe Biden is much more slippery on his positions on things. And in our system, a president's power is severely limited. Most change that occurs in this country is enacted by Congress, not the president. And that means that legislation has to pass two houses of Congress before it can get to the president for signing into law. If the houses of Congress are divided by party as they are now (Democrats control the House of Representatives, and Republicans control the Senate), then change comes slowly and with compromises.

I see Joe Biden as a corrupted politician who has used his position to enrich his immediate family. But, as the election results prove, most Democrats don't care about any of that. Biden has a likable style, and he has name recognition, and those two things I think will propel him to the nomination.

I also really do believe that Joe (age 77) is losing his mental faculties, while Bernie (age 78) still seems very sharp.

I'm glad to see Pocohantas (Warren) losing, even in her own state. I think she's about ready to quit. I don't think her continuing in the race serves any purpose. I think her policies are more in line with Bernie than Biden, but Biden won the primary election in her state, so it will be interesting to see who she endorses when she quits.

I'll bet Hillary would JUMP at the chance to be Biden's vice president pick, but I doubt that Joe would make that mistake. (Oh please, God, not that!)

For us over here across the ocean, this is going to be a very interesting process on many fronts, and I think anything could happen in November.

Seth
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
pinkeye said:
DonDeeHippy said:
Sanders is one of my hero's and ive posted here about him before. No scandle, true to his word and he has never waivered from his core beliefs.....He is a democratic socialist, not a socialist there is a huge difference, Just look how the Scandinavian countries are run, free medical, education and high living conditions, all the things every country should try to emulate.....
Basicaly they try to put their populations welfare ahead of business... It's never good for voters the other way :purple
Yes I will add a comment .. I also would prefer Sanders to Biden.

Realistically tho..?
..we are now in the age of folk who live longer... :roll


who knows..? :yak yak .. :beer

whoever it is ?? Trump will win I suspect. AND, he'll do a chinese switcheroo, and try and get MORE chances at Presidential Terms. Like the Chinese.. President for Life. :roll
Trump might win, but he might lose. I really don't know. But Pinkeye, he has no power to remain in office after two terms. There is just no mechanism for that available to him, and it won't happen.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
good to talk to you again Seth.

I DO understand what you are saying.

Trump is not a obvious winner... but then again no-one expected him to get a look in , in the first place.!

Of the 2 democratic hopefuls ( you can forget the rest) I think it would be good if Sanders got up to challenge the incumbent.
Biden comes across really badly , to me.
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
I love how Bernie's opponents compare him to Venezuela instead of the Nordic countries or really any country with a better social system for their people than what is currently available in the States... It's just blatant fear mongering...

The people would be so repressed if there was free medical and free education, ohh how could they break free from those chains....
I think the States should Invade all the Nordic countries to free them from their oppression and let corporations take over so they can be free like USA :purple
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
SethBullock said:
pinkeye said:
DonDeeHippy said:
Sanders is one of my hero's and ive posted here about him before. No scandle, true to his word and he has never waivered from his core beliefs.....He is a democratic socialist, not a socialist there is a huge difference, Just look how the Scandinavian countries are run, free medical, education and high living conditions, all the things every country should try to emulate.....
Basicaly they try to put their populations welfare ahead of business... It's never good for voters the other way :purple
Yes I will add a comment .. I also would prefer Sanders to Biden.

Realistically tho..?
..we are now in the age of folk who live longer... :roll


who knows..? :yak yak .. :beer

whoever it is ?? Trump will win I suspect. AND, he'll do a chinese switcheroo, and try and get MORE chances at Presidential Terms. Like the Chinese.. President for Life. :roll
Trump might win, but he might lose. I really don't know. But Pinkeye, he has no power to remain in office after two terms. There is just no mechanism for that available to him, and it won't happen.
NOBODY is saying he has the power to stay in office after his second term.

What we're saying is he'll throw a tantrum when it's time to go.

He won't just say "Well, I had a good run and now I'm happy to hand the White House over to the new President".

Trump is mentally ill - he won't just walk away without causing a commotion.

If you believe otherwise, you're more insane than he is.
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
As I predicted yesterday, Elizabeth "Pocohantas" Warren dropped out today. Speaking to reporters ...

“One of the hardest parts of this is ... all those little girls who are going to have to wait four more years,” Warren said.

As if her gender is the only thing that matters to "all those little girls."

Give me a break, Liz. It was women who didn't vote for you as well as men.

America is totally ready to elect a woman to the presidency, and now it is only a matter of one party or the other putting up the right candidate. Liz wasn't it, just as men like Pete Buttigieg and Mike Bloomberg weren't it.

I have often said on the yank forum and probably on this one too, but I will repeat. Tulsi Gabbard, a woman, is the best Democrat in the whole field, in my opinion ... by far. She is still technically in the race, but she has zero chance. She hasn't even won one delegate in any of the primaries so far. Nevertheless, in my opinion, she is the best of them all. She is a progressive. I am an independent moderate-conservative. Whether or not I would vote for her is irrelevant. I admire her intelligence, her service to the country, and her independence. She would make a by far better president than Bernie, Biden, or Elizabeth Warren. So Pocohantas should just put away her gender card and just face reality.
 
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