Traitor Donald Trump lock him up ... Pence Should Invoke 25th Amendment to Remove Trump From Office Immediately

Squire

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It's time for Trump to be arrested and charged with insurrection and treason.

It's time for Vladimir's puppet to be brought to justice.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...tial-law-pence-should-use-25th-amendment.html

Pence Should Invoke 25th Amendment to Remove Trump From Office Immediately
By Paul Campos

In what are supposed to be the final days of his presidency, Donald Trump has been discussing invoking martial law to overturn the results of the 2020 election and seizing supposedly fraudulent voting machines that — according to a wild conspiracy theory being pushed by people Trump invited to the Oval Office to discuss the matter — were used to rob him of a second term. This is merely the most extreme example, so far, of Trump’s post-election behavior, which grows more erratic and dangerous to our democracy by the day. His supporters have now even stormed the U.S. Capitol in protest while Congress voted to certify Joe Biden’s election victory.

There is a way to stop him, though.

More than 50 years ago, the framers of the 25th Amendment to the Constitution foresaw the possibility of a president’s behavior becoming so unstable that it would prove necessary to have some constitutional mechanism to remove him immediately from office. Section Four of that amendment provides a process for doing so: If the vice-president and the majority of the Cabinet decide that, for whatever reason, the president has become unfit to carry out the powers and duties of the office and they transmit a letter to Congress to that effect, then the vice-president becomes the acting president and remains so unless and until Congress refuses to allow that transfer of power to stand.

Legal scholars who have studied the drafting and adoption of the 25th Amendment recognize that its framers intentionally drafted it to allow Section Four to be used to address a wide range of potential situations — very much including the sorts of circumstances in which the nation finds itself today. While it is true that the amendment was created to deal with non-controversial instances of presidential unfitness, such as a president falling into a coma or being kidnapped, Section Four was made part of the amendment to deal with controversial cases as well: specifically with instances where the president’s unfitness to hold office was contested by the president himself. ...
 

greggerypeccary

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I reckon the failed businessman and his criminal children are currently planning their escape.

Watch Ivanka (horrid witch of a woman) all of a sudden go for "an overseas holiday" in the next couple of days.
 

greggerypeccary

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Washington DC police say four people have died during the storming of the Capitol building.

In addition to the woman shot by police, three others died as a result of "medical emergencies".
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
the sooner they jail the fat orange oompa loompa the better
If they don't remove him from office tomorrow, he's gonna carry out an even bigger attack before his last two weeks are up.

Him and his criminal children will be planning it right now. Nothing surer.

Pence needs to act immediately and invoke the 25th Amendment.
 

pinkeye

Wonder woman
They need Pence to do that, and he refuses. So now, articles of Impeachment are being prepared.
They're running out of time...........

Too little, too late.

He should be ARRESTED for incitement to RIOT, but of course he is still 'da Boss.!!
 

johnsmith

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He should be ARRESTED for incitement to RIOT, but of course he is still 'da Boss.!!

they can't arrest him while he is president.

I'm in two minds about impeaching him
-On one hand, impeach the bastard and get him out ASAP before he kills more people ... the problem with that is if Pence becomes President he can then pardon him for all his crimes and trump walks away scott free and leave him free to run again in 2024

-If they wait until his term ends, then prosecutors can then charge him, and if found guilt the orange oompa loompa will be sent to jail, hopefully for the rest of his life, never to run again
 

DonDeeHippy

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they can't arrest him while he is president.

I'm in two minds about impeaching him
-On one hand, impeach the bastard and get him out ASAP before he kills more people ... the problem with that is if Pence becomes President he can then pardon him for all his crimes and trump walks away scott free and leave him free to run again in 2024

-If they wait until his term ends, then prosecutors can then charge him, and if found guilt the orange oompa loompa will be sent to jail, hopefully for the rest of his life, never to run again
Pence is on the wrong side now......so we are led to believe....
 

SethBullock

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they can't arrest him while he is president.

I'm in two minds about impeaching him
-On one hand, impeach the bastard and get him out ASAP before he kills more people ... the problem with that is if Pence becomes President he can then pardon him for all his crimes and trump walks away scott free and leave him free to run again in 2024

-If they wait until his term ends, then prosecutors can then charge him, and if found guilt the orange oompa loompa will be sent to jail, hopefully for the rest of his life, never to run again
Pence is on the wrong side now......so we are led to believe....
My take ...

I think the House will impeach will the full knowledge that there is not enough time left in his term for the Senate to schedule and conduct a trial. So impeachment will not result in his removal. It is a purely political move. The Democrats are going to make as much hay out of this as they possibly can, with an eye on the 2022 and 2024 elections. This is not about Trump. Whenever they say it's about Trump, they are lying.

The impeachment process should not be used for this purpose. I said the same thing about the first impeachment. If it is purely political, the process is being abused.

I think I would support impeachment and removal if he wasn't so close to the end of his term. I would be fine with Pence taking over for whatever years were remaining on Trump's term.

I don't believe Trump will resign so Pence can pardon him. I am not aware of any federal crimes Trump has committed. I know he is being investigated by NY State regarding his finances, but a pardon will not help him with regard to state crimes, only federal crimes. You're probably going to say, "What about the Capitol riot?" My answer to that is that, in any criminal trial, there are always elements to a crime that have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. What Trump did was to energize the crowd (not a crime), but he did not directly encourage them to do what they did, hence, he's not technically guilty of inciting a riot. I hold him responsible for what happened, but not technically guilty. As an analogy, we can do the same thing with parenting. Poor parenting can result in criminality by children. The parents are responsible for that, but unless they are specifically telling their child to go commit a certain crime, they are just poor parents, and it is the child who is guilty of the criminal violation.

I am saying that based upon what we know. If new evidence comes out, it could change my opinion. For example, let's say a secret recording was made of Trump saying, "I'm going to give a speech to my supporters, and I hope it gets them to break into the Capitol, even though I won't tell them to do that", then that could be enough to find him guilty of Inciting a Riot. That would show intent, a critical element of criminal law violations. But barring something like that coming up, I don't think you can convict him in a court of law of a crime relating to the Capitol building riot, and so I don't think he really needs a pardon.
 

DonDeeHippy

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My take ...

I think the House will impeach will the full knowledge that there is not enough time left in his term for the Senate to schedule and conduct a trial. So impeachment will not result in his removal. It is a purely political move. The Democrats are going to make as much hay out of this as they possibly can, with an eye on the 2022 and 2024 elections. This is not about Trump. Whenever they say it's about Trump, they are lying.

The impeachment process should not be used for this purpose. I said the same thing about the first impeachment. If it is purely political, the process is being abused.

I think I would support impeachment and removal if he wasn't so close to the end of his term. I would be fine with Pence taking over for whatever years were remaining on Trump's term.

I don't believe Trump will resign so Pence can pardon him. I am not aware of any federal crimes Trump has committed. I know he is being investigated by NY State regarding his finances, but a pardon will not help him with regard to state crimes, only federal crimes. You're probably going to say, "What about the Capitol riot?" My answer to that is that, in any criminal trial, there are always elements to a crime that have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. What Trump did was to energize the crowd (not a crime), but he did not directly encourage them to do what they did, hence, he's not technically guilty of inciting a riot. I hold him responsible for what happened, but not technically guilty. As an analogy, we can do the same thing with parenting. Poor parenting can result in criminality by children. The parents are responsible for that, but unless they are specifically telling their child to go commit a certain crime, they are just poor parents, and it is the child who is guilty of the criminal violation.

I am saying that based upon what we know. If new evidence comes out, it could change my opinion. For example, let's say a secret recording was made of Trump saying, "I'm going to give a speech to my supporters, and I hope it gets them to break into the Capitol, even though I won't tell them to do that", then that could be enough to find him guilty of Inciting a Riot. That would show intent, a critical element of criminal law violations. But barring something like that coming up, I don't think you can convict him in a court of law of a crime relating to the Capitol building riot, and so I don't think he really needs a pardon.
they are only Impeaching because Pence and the Republicans are not doing the right thing and kicking Trump out......
What else can they do......
actually thinking about it, they could hold press conferance where each senator publicly demands Trump to resign, then do it again every day,,, might be more effective......
 

SethBullock

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they are only Impeaching because Pence and the Republicans are not doing the right thing and kicking Trump out......
What else can they do......
actually thinking about it, they could hold press conferance where each senator publicly demands Trump to resign, then do it again every day,,, might be more effective......
Why impeach a president if you know you cannot remove him? If Trump had more time in his term, maybe they could remove him this time. But the time simply isn't there, and so impeaching is not for the purpose of removing him.

There are already plenty of calls for Trump to resign and that Pence has not ruled out using the 25th Amendment if Trump becomes more unstable. Just look on CNN's front page.

In the present atmosphere, I don't believe Trump can do anything to put the nation at risk, like starting a war with Iran for example or some other similar dumb move. I honestly think neither the Pentagon or the bureaucracy would obey him. He's out in 10 days, so there is no reason to fear him.
 

DonDeeHippy

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Why impeach a president if you know you cannot remove him? If Trump had more time in his term, maybe they could remove him this time. But the time simply isn't there, and so impeaching is not for the purpose of removing him.

There are already plenty of calls for Trump to resign and that Pence has not ruled out using the 25th Amendment if Trump becomes more unstable. Just look on CNN's front page.

In the present atmosphere, I don't believe Trump can do anything to put the nation at risk, like starting a war with Iran for example or some other similar dumb move. I honestly think neither the Pentagon or the bureaucracy would obey him. He's out in 10 days, so there is no reason to fear him.
I think the goal of the impeachment is to not only hold Trump accountable, but also get on record who doesn’t vote to impeach..... Once impeached then charged with treason.....
 

SethBullock

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I think the goal of the impeachment is to not only hold Trump accountable, but also get on record who doesn’t vote to impeach..... Once impeached then charged with treason.....
Don, Treason is committed by aiding a foreign enemy in a time of war.

Getting people on record is a political move and therefore an abuse of the purpose of impeachment. The only legitimate use of the process is to remove the president.

Remember, Joe has called for unity and healing.
 

DonDeeHippy

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Don, Treason is committed by aiding a foreign enemy in a time of war.

Getting people on record is a political move and therefore an abuse of the purpose of impeachment. The only legitimate use of the process is to remove the president.

Remember, Joe has called for unity and healing.
Treason, sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance
treason, sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance.
Treason is the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance



Treason is the only crime that is explicitly defined in the U.S. Constitution, which describes it as when someone "owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere."

The Constitution says that a person convicted of treason should "suffer death," or be imprisoned for at least five years and fined at least $10,000, in addition to being banned from holding office. But it adds that no one can be convicted of treason "unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act or on confession in open court."

Basicaly Trump didnt like getting voted out and has repeatedly lied to his followers, got them riled up and stormed the Capitol building, I think...."owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them"
applies here....


on a side note I like you can die or pay $10,000 if convicted......
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
Treason, sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance
treason, sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance.
Treason is the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance



Treason is the only crime that is explicitly defined in the U.S. Constitution, which describes it as when someone "owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere."

The Constitution says that a person convicted of treason should "suffer death," or be imprisoned for at least five years and fined at least $10,000, in addition to being banned from holding office. But it adds that no one can be convicted of treason "unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act or on confession in open court."

Basicaly Trump didnt like getting voted out and has repeatedly lied to his followers, got them riled up and stormed the Capitol building, I think...."owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them"
applies here....


on a side note I like you can die or pay $10,000 if convicted......
Ugh! I'm not in the mood to defend Trump, but I don't think he intended to levy war under the common meaning of "war".

If we could possibly just look at what happened objectively and dispassionately ... What happened was a demonstration got out of control. It was not an overthrow of government. It wasn't even an attempted overthrow of government. It was a short disruption of government. It was shocking because of where it happened, but a serious attempt to overthrow the government?

Nah. That's me just being objective about it.

Look ... You know I can't stand the Antifa terrorists. But when they break in to City Hall or the Justice Center, they are not "overthrowing" the government. They are committing crimes and rioting - but they are not committing treason. That also is just being objective.
 
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