NSW is reporting the number of people who died "WITH" COVID. Is this a mistake?

Status
Not open for further replies.

HBS Guy

Head Honcho 💉💉
Staff member
Why do you keep telling yourself this lie? Even your own common sense should be telling you, that if over 90% of Australians are double vaccinated, then it would be very unlikely that more unvaccinated people than vaccinated people would be dying. Hence why the lack of evidence. But even when you are confronted by the reality in NSW, where only 4 of the twenty deaths were unvaccinated victims, you still keep parroting this lie like a recording. What are you going to say when 100% of Australians are vaccinated, and people are still dying with Covid-19? ALL of these victims also had up to 5 other serious comorbidities.

29 new deaths were recorded in NSW yesterday. Guess what? 22 people were double and triple vaccinated. Only 7 were unvaccinated. No one was under 50yo. And, 22 were over 80yo. But lets just ignore their ages, or their other chronic serious comorbidities! How many more of these stats will it take, before you stop spreading this misinformation? Are you then going to move on to, hospitals are being stretched to their limits by these unvaccinated again?? The truth is relative ONLY to people like you.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01...19-deaths-hospitalisations-plateaus/100781828

The only thing you, and your band of closed-minded vaccine junkies are telling me, is that I might be right, but that you just don't give a shit about the truth, or your country. Because you are certainly NOT showing me WHY I am wrong!

On this issue, even these oddballs have got it right!
You have no idea what the figures mean! We explained this when you quoted the figures for one day and I am not going to explain it again other than to say:

If 95% of the population is double vaxxed and less than 95% of the deaths are amongst the double vaxxed then the vaxx is working.
 

hatty

cynical profane bastard
The story: “Unvaccinated Victorians account for less than six per cent of the population, yet they represent almost 23 per cent of patients admitted to hospital and 35 per cent of those in intensive care.”

The anti-vaxxers: “So you mean to say 77 per cent of patients admitted to hospital and 65 per cent of patients in intensive care are fully vaxxed? See I told you the vaccines don’t work, in fact they increase your chances of being sick when you catch COVID ROFLMAO”


I hope they roll off their cunty death beds onto the floor… " and like my poor meatball… roll out the front door" laughing their sniffly, coughing fucking arses off into an incinerator

/caveat:
sorry i shouldn’t be so harsh… an anti-vaxxer at work may have given me the rona, they are positive and i worked a whole day with this person on Tuesday. I was only told just now and now i fear i might have unwittingly given it to my wife and children.
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho 💉💉
Staff member
But but but. . .we can’t mandate vaccinations or restrict the unvaxxed!

Should have sacked the antivaxxer!

However, hatty, even if you, your wife and kids have it I am sure you are young enough to fight the ’rona. And vaxxed which helps a lot.
 

hatty

cynical profane bastard
Thanks monk..... whole family vaxxed and fine..... for now.

School next week though..... so my 6 and 9 year olds are gonna have to mingle with the sweaty germ monkeys........ on high horses.... I should have just got them a scholarship to the university of facebook..... or just sent them to byron. :biker
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
You have no idea what the figures mean! We explained this when you quoted the figures for one day and I am not going to explain it again other than to say:
What kind of avoidance, cop-out bullshit is this? You don't explain because you can't explain. What else do you think that these TWO DAY stats mean? Just stop spreading lies, and start telling the truth. You keep repeating that more unvaccinated people are dying than vaccinated people. This is a lie. This also implies that if you are vaccinated that you are less likely to die. This is also a lie. The only thing that can determine whether you will die, have severe symptoms, or end up in the ICU, or on a ventilator, is the CONDITION OF YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM!! NOTHING ELSE!!

Why can't you Neanderthals understand this? Vaccines are not silver bullets, that will only targets the SARS-CoV-2 virus. As long as you are NOT in any of the high-risk categories, you'll be fine. As 98% of Covid-19 victims have already found out, even BEFORE THERE WERE ANY VACCINES AVAILABLE!

If 95% of the population is double vaxxed and less than 95% of the deaths are amongst the double vaxxed then the vaxx is working.
WHAT?? If less than 95% of all Covid-19 deaths are amongst the people who have been double vaxxed, then this means that the vaccine is working??? I think that it is YOU who is smoking the "wacky-tobacky". On what planet does this make any sense? The point according to you morons, is that regardless of the condition of your immune system, being vaccinated is suppose to reduce the severity of the symptoms, and thus the number of deaths. Right? This is NOT what is happening! All that has happened, is that there are now more and more vaccinated people dying than unvaccinated people. That's it! People are going to die, regardless of their vaccine status. There are other factors that you guys just want to ignore.

Let me repeat for those weak on the up-take.

This vaccine works, but not like any other vaccines. It is also unnecessary for most.
All vaccines should by voluntary. Not coerced or forced.
It is the immune system that fights pathogens and antigens directly. NOT vaccines.
Children should not be forced to be vaccinated FOR ANY DISEASE! That is the parents responsibility. Not the government's.
If you want to stick something into your arms, because the government says that it's okay, then go for it.
If you believe that this vaccine will save you, then go for it. I DON'T CARE!!

Why are there food shortages and limits at Coles and Woolworths? Why is the weakest of all the variants(Omicron) being blamed for this new crisis? I guess if you want to control the population, just create fear or anxiety. And, the sheeples will do, and believe whatever they are told. These power-mad fuckers have to go!!! These people can't stop people from getting food to live, but they can limit the amount of food people can buy. What next are you stooges going to let them do to you? This just the beginning!
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho 💉💉
Staff member
It makes perfect sense. someone quoted an article from the Guardian that explained it very well.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
The story: “Unvaccinated Victorians account for less than six per cent of the population, yet they represent almost 23 per cent of patients admitted to hospital and 35 per cent of those in intensive care.”

The anti-vaxxers: “So you mean to say 77 per cent of patients admitted to hospital and 65 per cent of patients in intensive care are fully vaxxed? See I told you the vaccines don’t work, in fact they increase your chances of being sick when you catch COVID ROFLMAO”
What a total misrepresentation! This is the same media disinformation that the gullible will lap up and just fill in the blanks. Your vaccine status has absolutely nothing to do with why you are admitted to the hospital or the ICU. If the 23% of all patients being admitted to hospital are admitted because of some Covid-19 related complications, then state this. If the 35% of all patients admitted to ICU were admitted because of Covid-19 related complications, then state this also.

Simply saying that 23% of all those admitted to hospitals were unvaccinated, only means that 77% of people admitted were not. Of course, this is totally irrelevant to WHY they were admitted or sent to ICU. Are people now being admitted or sent to ICU, based only on their vaccine status?? Silly!

So WHAT is the point you are trying to make? Were any of these people even infected? Were they admitted to hospital for a broken leg, or a cancer treatment, and were also unvaccinated? Or, are you just trying to apply something, without actually saying it??

I think that any lateral thinker, would never be this simple -minded.

I hope they roll off their cunty death beds onto the floor… " and like my poor meatball… roll out the front door" laughing their sniffly, coughing fucking arses off into an incinerator

/caveat:
sorry i shouldn’t be so harsh… an anti-vaxxer at work may have given me the rona, they are positive and i worked a whole day with this person on Tuesday. I was only told just now and now i fear i might have unwittingly given it to my wife and children.
It is sad to see the kind of Australians that the Government's media has produced. With over 25M Australians, that have never been infected in 2 years, it is very unlikely that you need to worry about being infected by "rona". And, since you are now a vaccine-junkie, getting a new fix at least twice a year, you should have nothing to fear even if your are infected. Right? So why all the hatred? Are you really this insecure?

This is not the hateful, paranoid, fearful, distrustful, selfish, and ignorant world, that any child should grow up in. Unfortunately, children can't pick their parents.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
It makes perfect sense. someone quoted an article from the Guardian that explained it very well.
Gee, the Guardian. Of all papers! It must be the political bible for sheeples like you. Gee, I wonder why it feels it needs to redress some of its earlier comments? Maybe it feels the need to explain its half-truths, misrepresentations, omissions, lies, and implications, since it is being exposed. So now it is going to play the stats game, to placate and fool all the doubters.

It took only the period between Nov 26th, 2021 - Jan. 1st, 2022(37days/out 734 days), to highlight the death and ICU stats, for vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. Only in NSW. And, the numbers of deaths and patients in ICU, were NOT separate. So I have no idea how many people died, or how many were in ICU. Was this done on purpose?

Was there something specific about this article that you thought was important? Or, was there something in it that would supported any of your claims? Was there something in the article that would support forcing people to be vaccinated? How about forcing children to be vaccinate? Was there something in the article relating to multiple Comorbidities, or other underlying immune dysfunctions? Does it even mention WHY fully vaccinated victims die, or end up in the ICU, period?

As soon as I hear statements like, "It looks bad without any other context..", and, "..seems higher for vaccinated..", I can then expect only bullshit to follow. If you can't impress people with the truth, then just baffle them with bullshit. They wouldn't know the difference anyway.

As I've stated before, what is going to happen when there are no unvaccinated people? Do you think that the deaths and ICU victims will just disappear? Or, will people like you just start blaming people who have the fewest doses of this poison?? Maybe you can explain this rationale. If you are running outside in a group, or having dinner in a shopping center restaurant, you don't need to wear a mask. But if you are dancing(aerobics), or exercising indoors, you must wear a mask? Madness! And, still no red flags.
 

johnsmith

Administrator
Staff member
I have no Idea why you would think that!
Because you said 'just like the over 25M other Australians, I was not, and have never been infected with Covid-19'.

Most people give an approx. population of 25 million for our population and I wasn't sure if your figure was supposed to be an approximate or an exact figure.

but since you mentioned ignorance, and since you want to use exact figures, so far there have been 1.8 millions cases of covid in Australia (https://www.health.gov.au/health-alerts/covid-19/case-numbers-and-statistics) and I suspect there are many that were never picked up and reported, but even if you ignore those, your comment is still wrong.


So, are you saying that I am wrong, or are you just implying that I am wrong again?
I was asking you to clarify what you meant.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Because you said 'just like the over 25M other Australians, I was not, and have never been infected with Covid-19'.
And that statement is true(based on the data at the time). There ARE over 25M Australians that have never been infected with this virus in over 2 years. And, I AM one of them. Absolutely nothing wrong so far.

Most people give an approx. population of 25 million for our population and I wasn't sure if your figure was supposed to be an approximate or an exact figure.
So, because your snarky sarcastic question was based on the faulty assumption, that assumed the wrong population, then it is clearly my fault for exposing just how silly and uninformed your sarcastic remark really was. But snarky trolls like you will always blame others with lame excuses, rather than owning up to their own mistakes. This is exactly how children rationalize their mistakes. "You shouldn't have left the cookie jar on the table.".

Of course you could have just looked up the current population of Australia, like I did! Before running your mouth!

but since you mentioned ignorance, and since you want to use exact figures, so far there have been 1.8 millions cases of covid in Australia (https://www.health.gov.au/health-alerts/covid-19/case-numbers-and-statistics) and I suspect there are many that were never picked up and reported, but even if you ignore those, your comment is still wrong.
Okay, so lets use the figures that you have referenced.

1,851,879 accrued cases(over 2 yrs)/26,181,777 current population x 100% = 7% of pop.

Now if we ignore all the recoveries and deaths, and assume that the accrued number of cases are the current number of cases, then you are correct. It would only be 24.3M other Australians that have never been infected in over 2 years. Not over 25M!

Regarding your default rationale, since you can't prove what you suspect, and I can't disprove what you think might be true, I'll only comment on the facts that I do know.

I was asking you to clarify what you meant.
No! You were just fishing. And, hoping that you can catch something. That is what people like you do.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
I trust people with actual medical research ability than some person with zero science degree.
Good for you. But before I stick any poison into my arms(or my children's) for the general good, I'm going to know as much about THIS PARTICULAR VIRUS AND THESE PARTICULAR VACCINES, as the experts know!! Or, I can be like you, and just tak their word for it!

But of course this is NOT ABOUT SCIENCE, is it? This is ABOUT CHOICE! What do these experts with degrees say about the freedom to choose what goes into your body? Or should that be decided by public shaming, discrimination, ridicule, coercion, creating food shortages, or holding a persons job to ransom? Which scientific research degree do I need for this?

If the experts tell you to stick a finger up your ass three times a day to allow the virus to escape your body, would you trust them? If the experts tell you that you must take 3 vaccines/boosters a year, to avoid a large chemist bill incase you are infected, would you even ask why? At some point, you will have to make your own decisions. NOT the decisions made by others.

Maybe you can explain it to me. I have no problem with anyone who chooses to be vaccinated with this poison. If it makes them more secure from a virus that they may never have, go for it. But why do these people have so much hatred for those who are not vaccinated? Why do they have so much hatred for those who are unmasked and uninfected? The Germans did the exact same thing to the German Jews. They exploited a crisis, and then blamed the Jews for it. Clearly we haven't learned from our history!
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
And we've hit Godwin's Law.
What moronic nonsense! Just because someone is paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't being watched. Just because an analogy is made regarding Nazi Germany, doesn't mean that the analogy isn't valid. Just another silly and sad deflection.
 

mothra

Moderator
Staff member
And i know you get thingy about using slurs ... 'saying Jews' is not the done thing anymore. Jewish people dude.
 

johnsmith

Administrator
Staff member
So, because your snarky sarcastic question was based on the faulty assumption, that assumed the wrong population, then it is clearly my fault for exposing just how silly and uninformed your sarcastic remark really was.
no, my question was not an assumption. If I'd made an assumption I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place. My question was an attempt to get you to clarify what you meant. Thats twice I've explained it to you. Go on, ask for a third time and prove you are an absolute cretin.

Regarding your default rationale, since you can't prove what you suspect, and I can't disprove what you think might be true, I'll only comment on the facts that I do know.
what rationale? I merely asked you to clarify on a point you made. I find it funny that you get so defensive about it. Speaks volumes.

Of course you could have just looked up the current population of Australia, like I did! Before running your mouth!
Of course, you could have looked up the current rate of infected people in Australia, like I did! Before running your mouth! Oops
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
That's what they always say.
And, the Godwin's Law is also something that they always say, whenever someone makes a valid comparison with the German's and anti-Semitism.

will-hunt-out-the-unvaccinated-amid-concerns-state-could-fall-short-of-90-pc-target/news-story/a61083c653fbd59d828b38ab46d464e3
unvaccinated-people-could-be-banned-from-certain-venues-c-4441987

So YES, the comparison IS VALID AND APPLICABLE!!!

And i know you get thingy about using slurs ... 'saying Jews' is not the done thing anymore. Jewish people dude.
I said "German Jews", which is politically correct! NOT, "Jews". The same as saying, the "Far Right German Jews". Which was a Jewish movement in Germany.

The government and the media have turned you against your own people(unvaccinated). The government has forced our people to stick a poison into their arm, and you're championing how many vaccinated people there are? You've all become compliant, obeisant, and docile vaccine junkies, waiting to be told when to have your next fix. Sad.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
no, my question was not an assumption. If I'd made an assumption I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place. My question was an attempt to get you to clarify what you meant. Thats twice I've explained it to you. Go on, ask for a third time and prove you are an absolute cretin.
No dumb-dumb, You did make an assumption! The assumption(like most of your snarky remarks) was IN THE QUESTION! Like "When did you stop beating your wife?". You assumed that if there were only 25M people in Australia, then I could not be among the over 25M other uninfected Australians that I claimed. But because there is really over 26M Australians, you're 25M assumption was wrong. And your snarky sarcasm, was exposed as just silly and uninformed. That is what happened, and your ego was bruised!

I'm also not asking you, or your strawman, for any explanations! It is absolutely impossible for you to ever tell the truth, or even to admit whenever you're wrong about anything. And, I certainly may be a creatin. But this would be a far better preference to being you. IMHO

what rationale? I merely asked you to clarify on a point you made. I find it funny that you get so defensive about it. Speaks volumes.
You were just trying to save face, by making this silly supposition. That is, that we have no idea how many other cases have NOT been reported. Of course this could or could not be true. So, now you are using an argument from ignorance, to rationalize/justify your false assumption. I think this is called double-downing. There was no point to clarify, since this was YOUR rationale, not mine.

Here's another simple question for you to ignore. What exactly was the point you were trying to clarify? Now start backpedaling!

Of course, you could have looked up the current rate of infected people in Australia, like I did! Before running your mouth!
At the time, THIS WAS THE CURRENT NUMBER OF INFECTED AUSTRALIANS. And, it is not a RATE. But since you've, "..looked up what current rate of infected people in Australia..", what is that rate? Now start backpedaling again!

Other than just insulting and attacking everything I say(semantically), what do you contribute to this forum? Do you think the government should have the right to force people to stick something they don't want into their body? Do you think that the government should censor, or suppress the people's right to dissent, or to air their grievances? Do you think that unvaccinated/uninfected Australians should be fired from their jobs, discriminated against, or treated like a social pariah in their own country? Do you have an informed opinion on any of these REAL issues?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top