Lib backflip on NBN

HBS Guy

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Millions of extra households to be given access to faster NBN speeds by 2023 under $3.5b upgrade plan
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-23/nbn-co-shake-up-upgrade-network-millions-more-access/12691782

I was reading something about this yesterday and it was too bloody weird!

I guess the COVID19 crisis showed FTTN/FTTC/HFC were a sad joke as far as real broadband was concerned and people could NOT work from home all that successfully using that crap.

Myself, and plenty tech savvy people, have said that the copper will have to be replaced before many more years. It is a damn shame we have wasted 7 years on a toy network, not to mention all the money flushed down the drain!

The major shake-up will lead to 6 million homes being able to pay extra to access to internet speeds "of up to" 1 gigabit per second.

While customers will not have to pay a connection fee to be hooked up to the NBN directly, they will have to upgrade their plans and potentially pay a higher price, depending on how fast they want their internet to be.

Currently the mandatory minimum is 25 megabits per second.
Not a real, designed from the ground up fibre network. The useless, badly placed for cost-effective, fast broadband, nodes will be involved, fibre will be run from them along street fronts. So STILL a fuckup! Jesus!
 

HBS Guy

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A somewhat belated response to 5G which is going to rip a shitload of customers away from the crappy NBN.

They need to drop the idiotic speed tiers, everybody on 1Gbps symmetric, they pay for the data they up/download, maybe a small fee for being connected—network needs maintenance etc. That would get people away from wireless broadband!

Hopefully Pinky will get fibre to her place and have excellent internet!
 

DonDeeHippy

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Space X internet satellites will blow everything away... Just like Elon does with everything he is involved with....
 

DonDeeHippy

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As disclosed, beta tests have resulted in download speeds of over 100 Mbps, upload speeds of about 40 Mbps, and a one-way latency time of under 20 ms (<40-50 ms round trip).

SpaceX’s long-term goal is to reach 8 ms in latency and 1 Gbps for downloads.


not the space x satellites, actually will be very fast... and they are only just getting it together, they have a few beta testers around USA that are getting good results...big difference is Starlink satellites are about 500km's away and the rest are around 12,000 km's away....
most Products Elon releases are usually better than the original specs because they increment changes as they go along, hopefully this will happen with Starlink as well...

Interestig the service wont need a satellite dish just a reciever about the size of a gaming console...The Tesla cars will also have a reciever so no matter where you are in the world you will have 1GBPs internet...
 
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HBS Guy

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Wireless broadband suffers in cloudy weather. 500Km both ways plus terrestrial travel for the signal will see latency too big for gamers, zoom meetings etc.
 

DonDeeHippy

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Wireless broadband suffers in cloudy weather. 500Km both ways plus terrestrial travel for the signal will see latency too big for gamers, zoom meetings etc.
8ms ping!!!!!!!! and 1GBPs doubt that Mr Monk
that is as fast as Cable... Get with the time's :oldman

My partner uses Zoom all the time with Sky Muster and is about 800ms ping and 25MBPs and it works perfectly in all weather....
Remember 25MBPs is 1.5 gigabytes of Data in a minute or 90 gigabytes in a hour...Or about 2000 dvd's (single sided) worth of data per hour....

Netflix uses .3GB up to 3GB per hour for Ultra HD.
Just how much data do you think these services use ?
 
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HBS Guy

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Your arithmetic is a bit off Don:

25mbps x 60 seconds = 1500mbpm
1.5Gb is 1.5/8 = .188gbyte.
 

HBS Guy

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A post—various quotes in it:

To trigger the upgrade on FTTN you must order a higher speed plan from your RSP.

see https://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-...ial-build-complete-NBNCo-announces-next-phase

As this investment takes place, an increasing number of premises connected to the nbn™ by FTTN technology that require higher speeds will be able to access higher wholesale speed tiers via Fibre-to-the-Premises (FTTP) technology. NBN Co will use the existing fibre infrastructure already built to nodes and invest in the continued rollout of fibre deeper into community areas.

Customers living or working in these areas will be able to place an order with any participating internet retailer for a higher speed nbn™ Home Fast, nbn™ Home Superfast or nbn™ Home Ultrafast broadband plan. At that point, NBN Co will complete the build of the fibre lead-in to the premises. Following further detailed planning and development of business rules for lead-ins, NBN Co will be in position to release further information on timing and locations.

Details of these plans were released in May 2020 https://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-...-new-residential-wholesale-higher-speed-tiers

nbn Home Fast
is available to internet retailers for an effective wholesale charge of $58 per month. nbn Home Fast is designed to offer peak wholesale download speeds of up to 100 Mbps and upload speeds of up to 20 Mbps and is available across all fixed line nbn technologies.

nbn Home Superfast will offer peak wholesale download speeds of up to 250 Mbps and upload speeds of up to 25 Mbps. nbn Home Superfast is currently available to approximately 32 per cent of premises that are ready to connect to the nbn.

nbn Home Ultrafast will offer peak wholesale download speeds of 500 to close to 1000 Mbps (subject to the access technology by which the service is supplied) and upload speeds of up to 50 Mbps. nbn Home Ultrafast is currently available to approximately 18 per cent of premises that are ready to connect to the nbn.
An order for a 100/20Mbps speed plan will trigger an FTTN -> FTTP connection. It is noteworthy that at $58 wholesale, the minimum trigger speed moves the return for these new fibre connections above the nbn's Average Revenue per User (ARPU) break even point.

Orders for a 'speed upgrade', will not be taken until mid to late 2021 at the earliest.

To date there is no mention of plan lock-in or details of locations.
The very first sentence: this is an attempt by NBN Co to increase ARPU (Average Revenue Per User.) They cannot move it high enough, mainly because the two-tins-and-a-bit-of-string network cannot deliver the speeds for enough households to lift ARPU. As was pointed out at the time and ignored by the idiot Turnbull.

Start running out a sensible FTTH, get rid of the CVC which is strangling the NBN. Put everyone on the fastest speed, 1Gbps both ways—it costs no more to run FTTH at 1Gbps as 12mbps, really. Charge people for the amount they download/upload, actual USE of the network!
 
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