Goodbye Donald Trump

johnsmith

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As I said before, I'll say it again..........just like the last Impeachment...........this meaningless vote along with 50 cents will get ya a 50 cent ride on a cute lil pony....

it is not meaningless ... if found guilty in senate he will not only never be able to run again, but he also loses all the benefits that are usually afforded a former President. After trying to ruin the democratic process he doesn't deserve a single dime of taxpayer funds.
 

DreamRyderX

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Spoke to a friend who lives in Roanoke, Va.....& works in Washington DC today. He says the word around town is that President Trump is amassing a list of all those who were arrested for marching into, & demonstrating within the Capital Building, among other places nearby.

President Trump is probably planning to Pardon each & every one of those who can be verified as a valid supporter, & not from ANTIFA of any other Marxist group who infiltrated the protestors to cause mayhem & destruction for the sole purpose of mayhem & destruction to create chaos.

Can the President do this........can he blanket Pardon his faithful.......The answer is in the Constitution.........Yes he can....& he can't be stopped from doing it......
 

greggerypeccary

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Spoke to a friend who lives in Roanoke, Va.....& works in Washington DC today. He says the word around town is that President Trump is amassing a list of all those who were arrested for marching into, & demonstrating within the Capital Building, among other places nearby.

President Trump is probably planning to Pardon each & every one of those who can be verified as a valid supporter, & not from ANTIFA of any other Marxist group who infiltrated the protestors to cause mayhem & destruction for the sole purpose of mayhem & destruction to create chaos.

Can the President do this........can he blanket Pardon his faithful.......The answer is in the Constitution.........Yes he can....& he can't be stopped from doing it......
Do you think it's a good thing if they're pardoned?
 

Auggie

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Spoke to a friend who lives in Roanoke, Va.....& works in Washington DC today. He says the word around town is that President Trump is amassing a list of all those who were arrested for marching into, & demonstrating within the Capital Building, among other places nearby.

President Trump is probably planning to Pardon each & every one of those who can be verified as a valid supporter, & not from ANTIFA of any other Marxist group who infiltrated the protestors to cause mayhem & destruction for the sole purpose of mayhem & destruction to create chaos.

Can the President do this........can he blanket Pardon his faithful.......The answer is in the Constitution.........Yes he can....& he can't be stopped from doing it......
Do you think that when the Founders granted the pardon power to the President, they had in mind of the President pardoning his mates for committing crimes against the Union?
 

DreamRyderX

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So, you're a terrorist sympathiser.

Just wanted to make sure.


No, never.............I see the demon-rat Progressive, Leftist Liberals as Terrorists, & the Right-Wing, Pro-Second Amendment Conservatives as Free Fighters.

I don't condone the hate & vileness of the demonrat Party, & the Marxist Communist Anarchists they support.

In the end it's a matter of prospective................One man's Terrorist, is another man's Freedom Fighter.




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DreamRyderX

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Do you think that when the Founders granted the pardon power to the President, they had in mind of the President pardoning his mates for committing crimes against the Union?
I don't rightly know one way or another, & neither do you.....we both can only speculate. The fact remains that with the exception of those that involve Impeachment, Constitutionally, the Presidents of the United States of America have always had the Power to Pardon anyone, for anything, as long as the Crime was a Federal Crime...........period.

A federal pardon in the United States is the action of the President of the United States that completely sets aside the punishment for a federal crime. The authority to take such action is granted to the president by Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_United_States



God Bless The United States Constitution............God Bless AMERICA


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greggerypeccary

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I don't rightly know one way or another, & neither do you.....we both can only speculate. The fact remains that with the exception of those that involve Impeachment, Constitutionally, the Presidents of the United States of America have always had the Power to Pardon anyone, for anything, as long as the Crime was a Federal Crime...........period.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_United_States




God Bless The United States Constitution............God Bless AMERICA


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We're not discussing, or disputing what he can do.

We're discussing whether terrorists should be pardoned.

You seem to think they should.

That's disgusting, and a little worrying.

I hope the relevant authorities are monitoring your online activity.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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I respectfully disagree about Antifa. I think, in light of the Capitol violence, that now would be a good time to condemn all politically motivated violence. I hear what you said about the black civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s, but I think we’re at a point in the 21st century where it is no longer necessary to resort to violence in order to be heard. I am not going to agree to a belief that THIS political violence is okay, but THAT political violence is not okay.
I won't rehash our fundamental differences of opinion regarding Antifa. Except, that there was no evidence that Antifa was even involved in setting ablaze a pile of rubbish next to a councilor's home, or smashing windows and attacking the police. They were clearly at the event, where their member was attacked by a pack of cowardly Proud Boys, while standing up in protest against the racist rhetoric of White Nationalists, bigots, White Supremist, Nazis in Portland. I certainly applaud this action in any Century. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and 1991 were also social changes that came soaked in blood.

But lets make a very basic assumption here. No one is advocating that organized violence, social disobedience and disorder, should be used to affect social change. So, unless you think that Antifa, is simply a band of seditionists, who wake up every morning figuring out what city or cop they will attack next, then their purpose and NOT violence. Their purpose is to fight division, bigotry, hatred and racism. Unlike the civil rights marchers who simply took all the violent beatings, excrements thrown at them, and verbal racial atrocities, that the God-fearing Whites threw at them. Antifa members chose NOT to be this masochistic for their cause. They chose to come prepared to face these same hate groups, whose insidious message of division and hatred IS ONLY THROUGH fear and violence.

Maybe they should just take their lumps, and not sink to the level of these clearly violent anti-social hate groups. Maybe, like in the Civil Rights Movement, it will be the attrition of the dead that will eventually bring about social change.

This always reminds me of the story of the clansmen who burned their crosses outside a Black farmers home. They grabbed the father and began beating him(Arkansas). But every time they stopped, he would just keep saying that, "God will forgive you". Because he would NOT just beg for his life, the cowards left him and his family. I suppose this is one non-violent way to affect social change. But I certainly wouldn't recommend it as a strategy.


It has always been ironic to me. How can most people who know that it is wrong to incite and disseminate racism, bigotry, elitism, superiority, ethnic division, religious intolerance, and hate, and yet do absolutely nothing about it? But, when a rag-tag group of everyday men and women decide that enough is enough, they are branded by the media as Anarchists, Fascists, Left-Wing Terrorists, and Anti-Americans.

"According to the Southern Poverty Law Centre, almost 900 incidents of anti-black, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-woman, or anti-LGBTQ violence occurred in the week after Donald Trump’s election.".

I think the woman who was shot and killed in the Capitol building put herself in harms way, and she was breaking the law and she was foolish
Totally agree. Trump has created a movement that is bigger than his own ego. This only demonstrates, just how easily people can be manipulated. And, just how irrelevant the facts are.

As for Trump, I only wish for the perfect storm for his legacy. He would be the first President to be impeached twice while still in office. He would be the first President to be impeached, convicted AND forced out of office. And, he would be the first President to actually go to prison, for major fraud and other Federal and State crimes. Do you want to see all the law suits that involve Trump? Good riddance, to bad rubbish!!!

 

SethBullock

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@Shellandshilo1956

You certainly look at Antifa through rose colored glasses. In nine months of rioting in Portland, the Proud Boys and another group called Patriot Prayer showed up twice. Antifa terrorists were present for all of the insurrection, assaults, and property destruction EVERY night, not just on those two days.

I chuckled and rolled my eyes when you said “there’s no evidence that Antifa ...”

They don’t carry membership cards, Shell, and you know it. They do often wear “uniforms”, and they do often proudly display the Antifa symbol, and their consistent actions are their calling cards. The claim that their is no evidence is like saying that there is no evidence that a South Vietnamese anti government fighter was not a member of the Viet Cong. It’s like Tony Accardo claiming that he was not the leader of the Chicago syndicate because he never admitted to it, and he was never convicted of a crime.

The other thing that is objectively false is to assert that Antifa only commits violence in self defense. No. They will INITIATE violence at the mere presence of groups or individuals they don’t like.

I dare you to go to a protest where they are present and just stand peacefully on the sidelines, not saying anything bad to anyone, but while wearing a MAGA hat. I dare you. Don’t deflect by saying you wouldn’t wear a MAGA hat because that is not the point.

Antifa will assault you.
 

SethBullock

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It has always been ironic to me. How can most people who know that it is wrong to incite and disseminate racism, bigotry, elitism, superiority, ethnic division, religious intolerance, and hate, and yet do absolutely nothing about it? But, when a rag-tag group of everyday men and women decide that enough is enough, they are branded by the media as Anarchists, Fascists, Left-Wing Terrorists, and Anti-Americans.
There are all kinds of things we can do and that we have done to combat racism.

The best course in the 21st century is to oppose it with our words, our votes, our legislation, and peaceful actions.

But I believe we must not go so overboard that we violate the 1st Amendment. If we can ban objectionable speech, then we can label anything the majority disagrees with as “objectionable” and ban it.

Accordingly, I will support the right of any group to speak of their beliefs - from anarchists and communists, to openly racist white groups - as long as they are not openly calling for violence.

It is enough that our people overwhelmingly oppose those beliefs. We may show why they are morally repugnant. We may denigrate and ridicule them. But we must not erode the 1st Amendment and use the force of law to ban objectionable speech, for that is a slippery slope.

And we must not tacitly or openly encourage or permit violence to be perpetrated against ANYONE peacefully exercising their rights, no matter how much we may disagree with them, no matter how odious their message may be. Like it or not, this is our obligation as Americans.
 
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DonDeeHippy

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DreamRyderX

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@Shellandshilo1956

You can claim there is no proof and no evidence until you’re blue in the face, and you will not convince me that this isn’t terrorism by Antifa.

I'm not all to familiar with Oregon's Firearm Laws, but if I lived there, & I were Dan Ryan, I would be quite prepared, & if they came again for the 8th. time, there would be no doubt who they were.....we'd have their dead bodies strewn about my home to attest to their identities. Also, we would all agree, they will never vandalize my home ever again......my home is my property......trespassers beware.........Trespassers who enter my home will be shot................period. ..
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