Goodbye Donald Trump

SethBullock

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Staff member
Many times I have told the members of this site that they shouldn't be hysterical and that the U.S. would have a peaceful transfer of power. And, as you all know, I predicted long ago - before Covid even - that Trump would not win reelection.

As it turns out, I was right about the election, but I was wrong about the peaceful transfer of power. I could not have imagined that what happened at the Capitol today would happen.

I am especially saddened at the report of a young woman being killed at the Capitol today. There are almost no details as I write this - who shot her and why - but it saddens me greatly.

Up until today I have defended President Trump's right to use the courts to dispute the election results. It mattered not to me that he lost those challenges, but I defended our system that allows grievances and disputes to be settled peacefully by courts of law rather than by violence. I also didn't care if some Representatives and Senators wanted to go through the parliamentary process of objecting to the vote certification that was scheduled for Congress today. It's available to them under the rules of Congress, and it has been used by Democrats in the past. In the end, it would make no difference, and after this process, the EC vote count would be certified, regardless.

You have also heard me defend the policy positions of President Trump - immigration, wars and defense, law and order, energy independence, 2nd Amendment, lower taxes on business, better trade deals, NATO, etc. Literally half of the population supports those positions, and I believe a lot of independents and some Democrats support at least some of them. Within that huge body of the populace, the vast majority are peaceful and law-abiding, smart, responsible, experienced, politically savvy, patriotic people of good faith. I can reliably speak for those folks when I say that we were embarrassed today by the crowd at the Capitol today. Had they merely assembled outside, that would have been fine. But breaking in and disrupting the work of Congress crossed a line that cannot be defended. And one young woman is dead.

Donald Trump, and he alone, is responsible for their presence there today and for their disposition to forcibly enter the Capitol. I also assign blame to him for the death of that young woman.

In light of the fact that he has lost the election, and in light of the events of today, Donald Trump should resign, and Mike Pence should serve as our President for the 2 weeks remaining of Trump's term in office. I don't expect Trump to do that, but that's my position.

I am going to close by saying that left-wingers and progressive Democrats have contributed to the atmosphere that have culminated in today's events. They have culpability as well.

Also, I can envision the potential of some good arising out of today's events. But I'll leave those topics alone for the time being.

Seth 🇺🇸
 
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greggerypeccary

Active member
"I am especially saddened at the report of a young woman being killed at the Capitol today. There are almost no details as I write this - who shot her and why - but it saddens me greatly."

She was a terrorist.
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
"Donald Trump, and he alone, is responsible for their presence there today and for their disposition to forcibly enter the Capitol. I also assign blame to him for the death of that young woman.

"In light of the fact that he has lost the election, and in light of the events of today, Donald Trump should resign, and Mike Pence should serve as our President for the 2 weeks remaining of Trump's term in office. I don't expect Trump to do that, but that's my position."


Agreed, 100%.

He won't resign, so invoke the 25th Amendment.

You have a terrorist cult leader in your White House and he needs to be removed immediately.
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
Many times I have told the members of this site that they shouldn't be hysterical and that the U.S. would have a peaceful transfer of power. And, as you all know, I predicted long ago - before Covid even - that Trump would not win reelection.

As it turns out, I was right about the election, but I was wrong about the peaceful transfer of power. I could not have imagined that what happened at the Capitol today would happen.

I am especially saddened at the report of a young woman being killed at the Capitol today. There are almost no details as I write this - who shot her and why - but it saddens me greatly.

Up until today I have defended President Trump's right to use the courts to dispute the election results. It mattered not to me that he lost those challenges, but I defended our system that allows grievances and disputes to be settled peacefully by courts of law rather than by violence. I also didn't care if some Representatives and Senators wanted to go through the parliamentary process of objecting to the vote certification that was scheduled for Congress today. It's available to them under the rules of Congress, and it has been used by Democrats in the past. In the end, it would make no difference, and after this process, the EC vote count would be certified, regardless.

You have also heard me defend the policy positions of President Trump - immigration, wars and defense, law and order, energy independence, 2nd Amendment, lower taxes on business, better trade deals, NATO, etc. Literally half of the population supports those positions, and I believe a lot of independents and some Democrats support at least some of them. Within that huge body of the populace, the vast majority are peaceful and law-abiding, smart, responsible, experienced, politically savvy, patriotic people of good faith. I can reliably speak for those folks when I say that we were embarrassed today by the crowd at the Capitol today. Had they merely assembled outside, that would have been fine. But breaking in and disrupting the work of Congress crossed a line that cannot be defended. And one young woman is dead.

Donald Trump, and he alone, is responsible for their presence there today and for their disposition to forcibly enter the Capitol. I also assign blame to him for the death of that young woman.

In light of the fact that he has lost the election, and in light of the events of today, Donald Trump should resign, and Mike Pence should serve as our President for the 2 weeks remaining of Trump's term in office. I don't expect Trump to do that, but that's my position.

I am going to close by saying that left-wingers and progressive Democrats have contributed to the atmosphere that have culminated in today's events. They have culpability as well.

Also, I can envision the potential of some good arising out of today's events. But I'll leave those topics alone for the time being.

Seth 🇺🇸
Well said Seth and as it's raining today I've been sitting if front of the computer seeing how this is playing out and it feels surreal...
I must say your post is one of the sanest things I've read or seen today.......
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
Well said Seth and as it's raining today I've been sitting if front of the computer seeing how this is playing out and it feels surreal...
I must say your post is one of the sanest things I've read or seen today.......
I agree.

Good to see Seth talking some sense.

I can't say I'm particularly saddened by the terrorist's death though.

She violently stormed a government building, was told by the police to stop, and she refused.

She was a terrorist first, and a young woman second I'm afraid.
 

Squire

Active member
Seth Bullock finally divorces Donald Trump after years of spousal abuse.

The woman that was shot was attacking police.
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
Seth Bullock finally divorces Donald Trump after years of spousal abuse.

The woman that was shot was attacking police.
Yes.

She was a terrorist attacking the police who were defending a government building from attack.

A terrorist is a terrorist.

No sympathy, for any of them I'm afraid.
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
The video of the young woman getting shot is on the front page of Liveleak.com. if you want to see it. I don't know if it's on YouTube. It isn't pretty. She fell on the flag she was carrying. There is a closed door with a broken window between her and the law enforcement officer who decided to fire.

I'm 65 years old. I've been in law enforcement since I was 19 - 46 years. I've been shot at before. I have made multiple deadly force decisions in the field. I have dealt with angry crowd situations. I have known the effects of adrenaline and, yes, fear.

If nothing else, I know myself, for better or worse.

There is no way - no way in hell - that I would ever shoot a woman with a flag and flagpole in her hands. No chance. I've taken far greater risks than that in my time without resorting to shooting. There is absolutely no way I would do that.

I await the details of that shooting to come out. If she pointed a gun, that's different. So far, there are no reports that she was armed with anything other than a flag and flagpole.

@greggerypeccary @Squire You guys could never be police officers, and your comments absolutely reek of hypocrisy. My nose for hypocrisy is always spot on, and I'm smelling it really strong from you two.
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
Ashli.png

The woman fatally shot inside the U.S. Capitol Wednesday has been identified as Ashli Babbitt, a friend confirms to Fox News. Babbitt was a 14-year veteran who served four tours with the Air Force and resided in San Diego, according to media reports.

Babbitt was a strong supporter of President Trump, her husband told WTTG-TV. Messages to him from Fox News were not returned.

"I really don’t know why she decided to do this," Babbitt's mother-in-law told the local Fox affiliate in D.C.

Babbitt's husband was not in D.C with her. The couple owned a business together, according to reports.
 

DonDeeHippy

Active member
The video of the young woman getting shot is on the front page of Liveleak.com. if you want to see it. I don't know if it's on YouTube. It isn't pretty. She fell on the flag she was carrying. There is a closed door with a broken window between her and the law enforcement officer who decided to fire.

I'm 65 years old. I've been in law enforcement since I was 19 - 46 years. I've been shot at before. I have made multiple deadly force decisions in the field. I have dealt with angry crowd situations. I have known the effects of adrenaline and, yes, fear.

If nothing else, I know myself, for better or worse.

There is no way - no way in hell - that I would ever shoot a woman with a flag and flagpole in her hands. No chance. I've taken far greater risks than that in my time without resorting to shooting. There is absolutely no way I would do that.

I await the details of that shooting to come out. If she pointed a gun, that's different. So far, there are no reports that she was armed with anything other than a flag and flagpole.

@greggerypeccary @Squire You guys could never be police officers, and your comments absolutely reek of hypocrisy. My nose for hypocrisy is always spot on, and I'm smelling it really strong from you two.
There is a video of the police opening the gate to let in the angry Trump mob and people are saying they where in on it...
again not putting themselves in the same position, it was supposed to be a peaceful demonstration and was only a few police, if id been there i would of opened the gate and got the fuck out of there to safety just like they did......
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
The video of the young woman getting shot is on the front page of Liveleak.com. if you want to see it. I don't know if it's on YouTube. It isn't pretty. She fell on the flag she was carrying. There is a closed door with a broken window between her and the law enforcement officer who decided to fire.

I'm 65 years old. I've been in law enforcement since I was 19 - 46 years. I've been shot at before. I have made multiple deadly force decisions in the field. I have dealt with angry crowd situations. I have known the effects of adrenaline and, yes, fear.

If nothing else, I know myself, for better or worse.

There is no way - no way in hell - that I would ever shoot a woman with a flag and flagpole in her hands. No chance. I've taken far greater risks than that in my time without resorting to shooting. There is absolutely no way I would do that.

I await the details of that shooting to come out. If she pointed a gun, that's different. So far, there are no reports that she was armed with anything other than a flag and flagpole.

@greggerypeccary @Squire You guys could never be police officers, and your comments absolutely reek of hypocrisy. My nose for hypocrisy is always spot on, and I'm smelling it really strong from you two.
Watch the video again.

The flag was tied around the terrorist's neck.

She was attacking a government building and was told to stop.

She didn't stop, so the police did what they do with all terrorists who fail to yield - they shot her.

I have no sympathy for terrorists, Seth.

It saddens me that you do.
 

Aussie

Ima da Sheriff
Staff member
Many times I have told the members of this site that they shouldn't be hysterical and that the U.S. would have a peaceful transfer of power. And, as you all know, I predicted long ago - before Covid even - that Trump would not win reelection.

As it turns out, I was right about the election, but I was wrong about the peaceful transfer of power. I could not have imagined that what happened at the Capitol today would happen.

I am especially saddened at the report of a young woman being killed at the Capitol today. There are almost no details as I write this - who shot her and why - but it saddens me greatly.

Up until today I have defended President Trump's right to use the courts to dispute the election results. It mattered not to me that he lost those challenges, but I defended our system that allows grievances and disputes to be settled peacefully by courts of law rather than by violence. I also didn't care if some Representatives and Senators wanted to go through the parliamentary process of objecting to the vote certification that was scheduled for Congress today. It's available to them under the rules of Congress, and it has been used by Democrats in the past. In the end, it would make no difference, and after this process, the EC vote count would be certified, regardless.

You have also heard me defend the policy positions of President Trump - immigration, wars and defense, law and order, energy independence, 2nd Amendment, lower taxes on business, better trade deals, NATO, etc. Literally half of the population supports those positions, and I believe a lot of independents and some Democrats support at least some of them. Within that huge body of the populace, the vast majority are peaceful and law-abiding, smart, responsible, experienced, politically savvy, patriotic people of good faith. I can reliably speak for those folks when I say that we were embarrassed today by the crowd at the Capitol today. Had they merely assembled outside, that would have been fine. But breaking in and disrupting the work of Congress crossed a line that cannot be defended. And one young woman is dead.

Donald Trump, and he alone, is responsible for their presence there today and for their disposition to forcibly enter the Capitol. I also assign blame to him for the death of that young woman.

In light of the fact that he has lost the election, and in light of the events of today, Donald Trump should resign, and Mike Pence should serve as our President for the 2 weeks remaining of Trump's term in office. I don't expect Trump to do that, but that's my position.

I am going to close by saying that left-wingers and progressive Democrats have contributed to the atmosphere that have culminated in today's events. They have culpability as well.

Also, I can envision the potential of some good arising out of today's events. But I'll leave those topics alone for the time being.

Seth 🇺🇸

Well done Seth. I don't think people in the USA truly understand the impact of what happens in the USA has around the Planet. It is written off as none of our business, but that is so wrong. As I have said often enough at the Yank Forum, when Trump farts the entire Planet gets the whiff even 'down here.'

What happened today is a culmination of cultist (MAGA) incitations which have been gathering, festering cumulatively over four years. Trump is simply the wrong guy for the real World. He incited today's events, and he has been doing that for a very long time. Finally today, it played out Manson like, not in the Home of that woman Manson's cultists invaded, not in Jonesville where his disciples perished, but in the Home of Democracy. This ought to ensure that never again will the USA allow a Caligulan like Trump anywhere near a position of power, let alone the White House.

On a sour note. That woman would be alive today if she had not broken and entered the very place, the "Home" that Policeman is sworn to protect. That woman's death was the result of being shot at a place she had no right to be, while being an insurrectionist (it matters not that she was carrying a flag in faux patriotism) and as a direct result of being stimulated, urged, spurred, incited into illegal activity by her Cult Leader, Donald J Trump. May he never rest in peace.

"God bless America." If she exists, you're gonna need all the help you can get, even from Sky Fairies.
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
Well done Seth. I don't think people in the USA truly understand the impact of what happens in the USA has around the Planet. It is written off as none of our business, but that is so wrong. As I have said often enough at the Yank Forum, when Trump farts the entire Planet gets the whiff even 'down here.'

What happened today is a culmination of cultist (MAGA) incitations which have been gathering, festering cumulatively over four years. Trump is simply the wrong guy for the real World. He incited today's events, and he has been doing that for a very long time. Finally today, it played out Manson like, not in the Home of that woman Manson's cultists invaded, not in Jonesville where his disciples perished, but in the Home of Democracy. This ought to ensure that never again will the USA allow a Caligulan like Trump anywhere near a position of power, let alone the White House.

On a sour note. That woman would be alive today if she had not broken and entered the very place, the "Home" that Policeman is sworn to protect. That woman's death was the result of being shot at a place she had no right to be, while being an insurrectionist (it matters not that she was carrying a flag in faux patriotism) and as a direct result of being stimulated, urged, spurred, incited into illegal activity by her Cult Leader, Donald J Trump. May he never rest in peace.

"God bless America." If she exists, you're gonna need all the help you can get, even from Sky Fairies.
Don't sugar coat it, Aussie.

She died carrying out a terrorist attack.

No sympathy for terrorists. None whatsoever.
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
Watch the video again.

The flag was tied around the terrorist's neck.

She was attacking a government building and was told to stop.

She didn't stop, so the police did what they do with all terrorists who fail to yield - they shot her.

I have no sympathy for terrorists, Seth.

It saddens me that you do.
This is from your own link, Seth:

"Video shows the woman, wearing a Trump flag ..."

The terrorist wasn't carrying a flag on a flag pole - she was wearing it around her neck like a cape.

She attacked a government building - THE government building - with a mob of thousands of angry rioters who were breaking windows and attacking police and security guards.

What did she think was going to happen?

FFS, if she was a Muslim terrorist you would be the first person to say the police did the right thing, but seeing as the terrorist is one of your mob you try to turn her into the victim.

I'm not having it.

She was a terrorist, and she died the way most terrorists die.

Tough fucking luck, lady.
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
Well done Seth. I don't think people in the USA truly understand the impact of what happens in the USA has around the Planet. It is written off as none of our business, but that is so wrong. As I have said often enough at the Yank Forum, when Trump farts the entire Planet gets the whiff even 'down here.'

What happened today is a culmination of cultist (MAGA) incitations which have been gathering, festering cumulatively over four years. Trump is simply the wrong guy for the real World. He incited today's events, and he has been doing that for a very long time. Finally today, it played out Manson like, not in the Home of that woman Manson's cultists invaded, not in Jonesville where his disciples perished, but in the Home of Democracy. This ought to ensure that never again will the USA allow a Caligulan like Trump anywhere near a position of power, let alone the White House.

On a sour note. That woman would be alive today if she had not broken and entered the very place, the "Home" that Policeman is sworn to protect. That woman's death was the result of being shot at a place she had no right to be, while being an insurrectionist (it matters not that she was carrying a flag in faux patriotism) and as a direct result of being stimulated, urged, spurred, incited into illegal activity by her Cult Leader, Donald J Trump. May he never rest in peace.

"God bless America." If she exists, you're gonna need all the help you can get, even from Sky Fairies.
It should never happen again. In my OP I said that good could arise out of this.

I also told a guy on PF a few days ago that it is crucial that Americans have faith in the electoral process - that every vote is legitimate, and every legitimate vote is counted. The knee-jerk reaction by Democrats to that suggestion is that election fraud can't be proved, so they're not interested in looking at the system and improving it. To the other side, this sounds more like "winning at any cost", including cheating.

So, if we really want to avoid this sort of thing in the future, we need to make the system as foolproof and legitimate as humanly possible. Democrats need to get on board with this. If that happens, that will be the good.

Also, the progressive liberals and the liberal media who are decrying what the Trump supporters did today need to do the exact same thing about riots and antifa. They have coddled them and excused them and covered for them for months - years, actually. If they refuse to be consistent, their outrage over what happened at the Capitol today rings hollow and hypocritical. You cannot have it both ways and have any credibility.

And if the Democrats are unwilling to lock down the integrity of the electoral process, they will foster the sort of thing we saw today, and we could see it again.

As for the Capitol shooting ... The Capitol is a historic place. But it is, in essence, a work space, not a home. The woman who was shot was engaging in civil disobedience, and she was trespassing. Typically, trespassing and breaking a window (if she did) are simple misdemeanors. But when it comes to taking a life, the only standard to go by is whether or not she - and specifically, that particular woman - was posing an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or someone else at the moment she was shot. That imminent threat must be articulable and specific. Until the details come out, all we know is that she had a flag and a flagpole in her possession, and she appears to have been separated from the law enforcement officers by a closed door.

There is absolutely zero chance that I would have shot her had I been one of those officers on the other side of the door. Zero. I've been through enough shit in my life that I don't panic easily. In dangerous situations, I've learned to have confidence, consider my options, obey the law, and to swallow any fear that I might have. I wish I had been there, in charge of those guys.

I actually feel sick inside at the thought of her death.

Ashli2.png
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
The woman who was shot was engaging in civil disobedience, and she was trespassing. Typically, trespassing and breaking a window (if she did) are simple misdemeanors.
No Seth.

She was carrying out a terrorist attack on a government building.

You excuses for terrorism are quite frankly making me feel sick.
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
A violent mob storms the Capitol, and Seth describes it as a simple misdemeanour.

This shows exactly how insane these cult members are.
 

greggerypeccary

Active member
Washington DC police say four people have died during the storming of the Capitol building.

In addition to the woman shot by police, three others died as a result of "medical emergencies".
 

HBS Guy

Head Honcho
Staff member
To make the electoral process true and fair:

An independent commission, as here, draws electorate boundaries. No more repug gerrymandering!

No more voter suppression, removing people from the roll, closing polling places. No voter ID laws, no deterrence of blacks and hispanics.

Paper ballots. USPS resourced to distribute and return mail ballots, especially while the pandemic rages.

Georgia certified Biden’s win in that state tho Georgia is a Repug state, did not do shenanigans to ensure Biden won.
 
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