Good riddance ... Police officers across the US have quit their jobs in recent days. Here is where there have been resignations

SethBullock

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@Shellandshilo1956 A Florida police officer who feared for her life shot and killed a suspect while he was choking her on Friday night, investigators said.

Officer Alison Savarese, 32, fired two rounds at 55-year-old Jeffrey Haarsma while his hands were still around her neck, Pinellas Sheriff Bob Gualtieri told reporters at the scene. Haarsma was pronounced dead at a hospital.


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Shellandshilo1956

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@Shellandshilo1956 A Florida police officer who feared for her life shot and killed a suspect while he was choking her on Friday night, investigators said.

Officer Alison Savarese, 32, fired two rounds at 55-year-old Jeffrey Haarsma while his hands were still around her neck, Pinellas Sheriff Bob Gualtieri told reporters at the scene. Haarsma was pronounced dead at a hospital.


We talked about this.
Really Seth? First you use the most obvious, clearest, and extreme example of self-defense and justifiable homicide. That is, a person using an assault rifle against a cop, and the cop defending himself. Now you are using a man in the act of choking out an ARMED female cop. Really? Did you think I would say that the female officer should have just died, instead of killing this coward to save her own life? Is this what you think? Your examples only highlight a clear, verifiable, lethal, and obvious case of life-threatening self-defense. So, if a 5 year old, is pointing a rocket launcher(Bazooka) at you, then I agree that you must shoot the little prick, rather than look down the tube to see it a rocket really is in there.

I was hoping for something a little less obvious. Like two unarmed White women, being killed by a male Black cop, for attacking him with their handbags(he was in fear of his life). Or an unarmed mentally handicapped female shoplifter being shot in the back for evading arrest(she knocked two elderly women over while escaping). Do you have any examples like these? Just to be fair.
 

SethBullock

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Really Seth? First you use the most obvious, clearest, and extreme example of self-defense and justifiable homicide. That is, a person using an assault rifle against a cop, and the cop defending himself. Now you are using a man in the act of choking out an ARMED female cop. Really? Did you think I would say that the female officer should have just died, instead of killing this coward to save her own life? Is this what you think? Your examples only highlight a clear, verifiable, lethal, and obvious case of life-threatening self-defense. So, if a 5 year old, is pointing a rocket launcher(Bazooka) at you, then I agree that you must shoot the little prick, rather than look down the tube to see it a rocket really is in there.

I was hoping for something a little less obvious. Like two unarmed White women, being killed by a male Black cop, for attacking him with their handbags(he was in fear of his life). Or an unarmed mentally handicapped female shoplifter being shot in the back for evading arrest(she knocked two elderly women over while escaping). Do you have any examples like these? Just to be fair.
I just thought you'd find it interesting. Guess I was wrong.


 

Shellandshilo1956

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I just thought you'd find it interesting. Guess I was wrong.



Not when it doesn't apply to non-lethal, and unarmed threats to life. Here's something you might also find interesting, AND would be more germane to my interests.

After Dan White had committed the very definition of Murder(with 3 special circumstances), and only received a verdict of manslaughter, and a 5-7 year recommended sentence, thousands of Gays in SF rioted that night. Thousands descended onto City Hall to protest their disbelief and anger. The CSTF(SWAT), SCU, and all available cops(about 28 in all), were called in to protect City Hall, and to prevent thousands of angry Gays from entering and vandalizing City Hall. Acting Mayor Dianne Feinstein tried to calm the angry mob, but was met with a brick to the side of her head. Cops had only face shields, and their 26 inch batons. Lt. Shaffler, then ordered 28 cops to advance on a crowd of thousands. Because of all the news cameras and lighting pointed at the cops, they couldn't see, or arrest the people throwing the bricks. It was all just shadows, screaming, portions of concrete hitting you, trying to protect each other, and trying to hear the command to fall back. Eventually, it became every man for himself. The Mayor was guarded and taken back into the building. A mutual aid request was called out, to all departments in the Bay Area and the State. I do remember thinking just how quickly this aid had arrived.

The point I am trying to make, is that, although I lost 2 friends in the Department that night(through injuries, not death), NO LETHAL FORCE WAS USED, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CERTAINLY JUSTIFIED. Although, the return payback visits to the Castro District Bars later that night, may NOT have been.
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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@Shellandshilo1956 How bad were their injuries?

One was serious(head), and the other was long term(knee). I actually got a chuckle, when one of the rioters, while smashing the the patrol car windows, told the reporter, "Make sure you put in the papers, that I ate too many Twinkies.".

Cops raised $100,000 for Dan White's(ex-cop) legal team and defense. He showed no remorse. He planned and executed the execution of a sitting Mayor and Supervisor(1st special circumstances). He killed more than one person(2nd circumstances). He killed in a cruel and inhumane way(3rd circumstances). He avoided the metal detectors(going in through basement window), and brought 5 extra .38 ammo cartridges(premeditation). He then turned himself in, and admitted that he did it because he couldn't get his job back(4th special circumstances}. It only takes ONE special circumstances for capital punishment. White committed FOUR. This was suppose to be a slam dunk premeditated murder conviction, with 4 special circumstances. Instead, he was convicted for voluntary manslaughter because of the "Twinkie Defense". I lost all respect for the law that day. The law does not apply to everyone equally, and justice is certainly not blind.

It was ironic that 1984,

"White would later confirm that the killings were premeditated. In 1984, he told former police Inspector Frank Falzon that not only had he planned to kill Moscone and Milk, but also had plans to kill Assemblyman Willie Brown and Supervisor Carol Ruth Silver. He believed that the four politicians were attempting to block his reinstatement as Supervisor. Falzon quoted White as having said, "I was on a mission. I wanted four of them. Carol Ruth Silver, she was the biggest snake ... and Willie Brown, he was masterminding the whole thing.".

He just got away with murder, LEGALLY!!!
 

SethBullock

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One was serious(head), and the other was long term(knee). I actually got a chuckle, when one of the rioters, while smashing the the patrol car windows, told the reporter, "Make sure you put in the papers, that I ate too many Twinkies.".

Cops raised $100,000 for Dan White's(ex-cop) legal team and defense. He showed no remorse. He planned and executed the execution of a sitting Mayor and Supervisor(1st special circumstances). He killed more than one person(2nd circumstances). He killed in a cruel and inhumane way(3rd circumstances). He avoided the metal detectors(going in through basement window), and brought 5 extra .38 ammo cartridges(premeditation). He then turned himself in, and admitted that he did it because he couldn't get his job back(4th special circumstances}. It only takes ONE special circumstances for capital punishment. White committed FOUR. This was suppose to be a slam dunk premeditated murder conviction, with 4 special circumstances. Instead, he was convicted for voluntary manslaughter because of the "Twinkie Defense". I lost all respect for the law that day. The law does not apply to everyone equally, and justice is certainly not blind.

It was ironic that 1984,

"White would later confirm that the killings were premeditated. In 1984, he told former police Inspector Frank Falzon that not only had he planned to kill Moscone and Milk, but also had plans to kill Assemblyman Willie Brown and Supervisor Carol Ruth Silver. He believed that the four politicians were attempting to block his reinstatement as Supervisor. Falzon quoted White as having said, "I was on a mission. I wanted four of them. Carol Ruth Silver, she was the biggest snake ... and Willie Brown, he was masterminding the whole thing.".

He just got away with murder, LEGALLY!!!
It certainly is an imperfect system, but I don’t know how to make it perfect.

A few years ago a judge wouldn’t sentence a convicted felon to prison because “she was too attractive” to be in prison.

And you may have heard of the judge who bought the “affluenza” defense (too affluent and privileged to understand the consequences of his actions.)

Sheesh ....
 

SethBullock

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Seattle Police Chief Resigns As City Council Cuts Police Department by 100.

Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best is resigning, abruptly announcing her departure late Monday just hours after the city council voted to strip the police department of some resources, including cutting around 100 jobs.


Best, the city's first Black police chief, will depart after a tumultuous few months in Seattle, where intense protests against racial injustice and heavy-handed police practices drew national attention after the killing of George Floyd by Minneapolis police on Memorial Day.


"This was a difficult decision for me, but when it's time, it's time," Best said in a letter to the Seattle Police Department, according to member station KUOW in Seattle.


Best has served in the department for nearly 30 years. She will retire effective Sept. 2.


"I look forward to seeing how this department moves forward through the process of re-envisioning public safety. I relish the work that will be done by all of you," Best said.


Mayor Jenny Durkan said she accepted Best's decision "with a very heavy heart," in a statement republished by The Seattle Times. She also praised Best for meeting regularly with community leaders and leading the department through a decreased major crime rate in 2019.

"I regret deeply that she concluded that the best way to serve the city and help the department was a change in leadership," Durkan said.


The mayor added that Deputy Chief Adrian Diaz will assume the role of interim chief next month.


Best has been dogged by mounting criticism over what protesters and observers viewed as her department's overly aggressive tactics to control crowds, including the police use of tear gas and flash-bang grenades during early demonstrations that had been mostly peaceful.


Since June, Best has also faced a backlash over her approach to demonstrators taking over the area around the department's East Precinct building — and to the violence that unfolded in what became known as the Capitol Hill Organized Protest, or CHOP Zone (it has also been referred to as the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone or CHAZ).


In an interview with KUOW on Monday, Best expressed concern that she had not seen the city council's proposal before the vote to redirect funding for her department.


"What really concerns me is I just have not seen the plan," Best said.


"We have 800,000 calls for service every year. If you just lop off, even 100 officers, that's going to be highly detrimental to a department that wasn't staffed enough to deal with the calls we did have. And who is going to answer? I'm going to tell ya, at 3 a.m., when somebody is standing in the street in some kind of crisis mode, armed or unarmed, somebody is going to need to respond to address it."


Just last week NPR reported that unlike police chiefs in cities like in Portland, Ore., Atlanta, and Louisville, Ky., who were fired or resigned during the national protests calling for social justice reform, Best looked to be surviving.


But after the city council's vote, she decided it was time for her to go.
 
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