Covid-19 Revisit

[Shellandshilo1956]

Seth, I have no problems with anyone in the high-risk groups, choosing to be vaccinated. You are correct that our immune system is not as robust as we age. So, this is not news to me. However, even for those over 65, over 87% will still recover, vaccinated or not. There are other factors that you have to consider. Other than just age.

There is also no way of you knowing, that if you weren't vaccinated, that you would NOT have had those same symptoms. Statistically speaking, over 85% of all unvaccinated covid-19 victims, have also suffered those same mild symptoms that you've mentioned. This is because this disease has a very low mortality rate, compared to many other viral and bacterial diseases.

You are also the example that this vaccine does NOT protect you from this disease, or can prevent you from transmitting this disease.

None of these vaccines contain any active or inactive viruses for the immune system to respond to. These vaccines only instruct our healthy cells to start producing spikes, to trick the immune system to start producing "spike-sensitive-only" antibodies. Antibodies that will only attack anything with that specific coded spike. NOTHING ELSE!! It will not attack any variants of the pathogens, or any other new pathogen. It is our B-cell that produce our non-specific, and our low affinity antibodies. These antibodies will attack ANY pathogen. But these antibodies will be out-competed by these artificially induced vaccine produced antibodies.

You do realize that there is already an FDA approved anti-viral broad-spectrum medication, that has been in use to treat this virus since October 2020? Veklury is a broad-spectrum antiviral treatment, that is used to treat multiple emerging viral pathogens, including Ebola, SARS, Marburg, MERS and SARS-CoV-2. How it works can be complicated. Especially, if you are not a biochemist. Or, do not understand the ATP cycle.

So, if we consider the mortality rate(1.8% in Australia), our natural immune functions, our likelihood of being infected(1 in 10,000 in Australia), and our likelihood of survival(98.2% in Australia), and our likelihood of dying from this disease(3 in 100,000 in Australia), then our being vaccinated should NOT be very high on our list of priorities. And, is certainly not necessary for the vast majority of people. What is insane, is that we are now forcing our own children, who have the most robust immune system of us all, to be injected with this unnecessary shit. What is wrong with us? Why can't we see just how the stats don't match the hype?? So, NO THANKS!

 

[HBS Guy]

Auto antibodies could be causing high numbers of COVID deaths:

Antibodies that turn against elements of our own immune defences are a key driver of severe illness and death following SARS-CoV-2 infection in some people, according to a large international study. These rogue antibodies, known as autoantibodies, are also present in a small proportion of healthy, uninfected individuals — and their prevalence increases with age, which may help to explain why elderly people are at higher risk of severe COVID-19.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02337-5

They studied 3,595 patients from 38 countries with critical COVID-19, meaning that the individuals were ill enough to be admitted to an intensive-care unit. Overall, 13.6% of these patients possessed autoantibodies, with the proportion ranging from 9.6% of those below the age of 40, up to 21% of those over 80. Autoantibodies were also present in 18% of people who had died of the disease.

Sizable study, way too big to ignore!

“There is a massive increase in prevalence” with age, Casanova says. “This largely explains the high risk of severe COVID in people in the elderly population.” He adds that these findings have clear clinical implications, and suggests that hospitals should be checking patients for these autoantibodies, as well as mutations implicated in blocking type 1 interferons. This could identify people who are more likely to become critically ill from COVID-19, helping physicians to tailor their treatment appropriately.

Hopefully some ways of neutralising these autoantibodies will be found so less elderly people will die from COVID.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

Wow! Now we're blaming Covid-19 deaths on "auto-antibodies"!!! It is really incredible the rationales we will create to save face, and protect our ignorance. I guess since most people don't know what an antibody is or does, blaming the Covid-19 deaths on an "auto-antibody" is just more disinformation to keep the ignorant masses confused and docile.

Do you even have a clue, what these so-called "auto-antibodies" really are? Clearly you don't.

 

[HBS Guy]

No, just that older people have more of these auto antobodies so have a higher mortality rate than younger age groups. Never said COVID19 deaths are due to antibodies, just some especially in older people.

 

[HBS Guy]

The virus seems to be getting more and more deadly each time it mutates. Unfortunately the supply of idiots who don’t wear masks, break quarantine and do other things to spread the disease is pretty large. One stall at the Farmers Market none of the servers were wearing masks—will avoid that stall in future, fuckem!

This includes those at the highest levels of government—stuffing up the supply of vaccines, the idiotic inner city hotel quarantine, berating states for lockdowns instead of helping enforce them. Somebody as inefficient as Kevin Rudd had to contact the Pfizer CEO to get an urgent supply of their vaccine, Gladys Longnose proposing to porkbarrel vaccines etc.

 

[HBS Guy]

Children are unlikely to get very ill from COVID19. Unlike other viruses, adults have no advantage over children, no experience with COVID19.

Data collected by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from hospitals across the country suggest that people under the age of 18 have accounted for less than 2% of hospitalizations due to COVID-19 — a total of 3,649 children between March 2020 and late August 2021. Some children do get very sick, and more than 420 have died in the United States, but the majority of those with severe illness have been adults — a trend that has been borne out in many parts of the world.

420 kids died just in the US, very sad, they had their whole life ahead of them.

The phenomenon was not entirely surprising to immunologists, however. With other viruses, adults have the advantage of experience. Through prior infection or vaccination, their immune systems have been trained to deal with similar-looking pathogens. The novelty of SARS-CoV-2 levelled the playing field, and showed that children are naturally better at controlling viral infections. “We always think of children as germ factories,” says Dusan Bogunovic, an immunologist and geneticist at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, in New York City. But it’s not because their immune systems are ineffective; they’re just inexperienced, he says.




COVID and schools: the evidence for reopening safely
Research is beginning to reveal that the reason children have fared well against COVID-19 could lie in the innate immune response — the body’s crude but swift reaction to pathogens. Kids seem to have an innate response that’s “revved up and ready to go”, says Herold. But she adds that more studies are needed to fully support that hypothesis.

The emergence of the Delta variant has made finding answers more urgent. Reports suggest that in the United States and elsewhere, children are starting to make up a larger proportion of reported infections and hospitalizations. These trends might be due to Delta’s high transmission rate and the fact that many adults are now protected by vaccines.

Wow, so the immunity of children is much less for the delta variant.


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02423-8

 

[Texan]

I'm not sure if it's the Delta variant, but my 2 year old granddaughter is doing well and just about over covid. My son and daughter in law also.

 

[HBS Guy]

Good!

 

[SethBullock]

I'm not sure if it's the Delta variant, but my 2 year old granddaughter is doing well and just about over covid. My son and daughter in law also.

Good to hear.

My 32 year old daughter has it now. She's very physically fit, and she's doing well. She did get a fairly high fever yesterday, but today it was down to near normal and she was energetic and cheerful.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

The virus seems to be getting more and more deadly each time it mutates. Unfortunately the supply of idiots who don’t wear masks, break quarantine and do other things to spread the disease is pretty large. One stall at the Farmers Market none of the servers were wearing masks—will avoid that stall in future, fuckem!

NO! Some variants can become more virulent, therefore more infectious/transmissible, therefore more people are infected, and therefore more people can die. Are you assuming that the less than 0.1% Australians with Covid-19, were all at that Farmer's Market?

Also, if you are wearing a mask, then aren't you protected? What physical/medical threat to you, are those people who do not wear masks, break quarantine, or spread this disease to others, who also are NOT wearing masks? Assuming of course, that they are not one of the over 99% of Australians that don't have the disease at all. In which case, "Buckley's". Just more fear and shame mongering from the ignorant. Stay, sit, good boy.

No, just that older people have more of these auto antobodies so have a higher mortality rate than younger age groups. Never said COVID19 deaths are due to antibodies, just some especially in older people.

Older people also have more bladder problems, dementia, and Osteoporosis than in the younger aged groups. So what? Whether you said it or not, ALL deaths from Covid-19 are due to the antibodies produced by our immune system. As we age our immune system is NOT the same as it was when we were younger. It can make mistakes, and produce these "anti-antibodies" that attack normal healthy body cells and tissues(autoimmune disease). Even normal antibodies will do this to reach pathogens. But like pneumonia, the system needs to be in really bad shape to get to this stage. People die from the massive infections caused by their own immune response. Or, because the system couldn't respond adequately enough. Both are more likely to occur in the aged. So one would expect to find more of these auto-antibodies in the aged immune system than in a younger system. Not many 12 yo with rheumatoid arthritis, dementia, or HIV, right?

Without more evidence, it is just fallacious to suggest/imply that there is some causal link between auto-antibodies and the mortality rate of older people. What about the 75-80% of those elderly who recover naturally? Didn't they also have these Auto-antibodies in their system? There are certainly many other factors to consider, before making this arguments from ignorance. Just more disinformation being spewed into the government's bandwagon, just to muddy the waters. Imply everything, but say nothing!

Look, this is simple. If this vaccine even had a piece of a real pathogen, or even an inert whole pathogen in it, then I would certainly be on board. But it doesn't. It is just a lab-created piece of genetic instructions, using our own DNA/RNA codes, to tell a perfectly healthy cell to start making frick'n spikes on its surface. It is genetically modifying a normal cell to look like a portion of a frick'n virus. Using RNA and DNA vaccines are cheap and easy to make. And, they work fine. But they are tailored for a specific pathogen only, NOT FOR ANY OF ITS VARIANTS, OR FOR ANY OTHER PATHOGENS!! This should be unacceptable to anyone.

Why do you think that we see so many variants in this pathogen(5), and NOT in others? Why? Because RNA/DNA vaccines only produce pathogen-specific antibodies. So when the virus starts replicating within the cell, it can mutate, and simply by-pass these high affinity antibodies. Hence why some victims die in spite of being vaccinated. This doesn't happen with our natural NON-specific antibodies.

Our immune system produces its own natural antibodies(B cells). These low-affinity antibodies DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT THE PATHOGEN LOOKS LIKE, OR WHAT ITS MUTATED VARIANTS ARE. ALL pathogens will be attacked and removed from the body. This is evidenced by the over 95% of people who have recovered without being vaccinated at all. These are the only antibodies that our bodies will ever need. Or has ever needed. All natural and very effective.

420 kids died just in the US, very sad, they had their whole life ahead of them.

There are over 6K major hospitals in the US. This means that less than 1 child sick in every 2 hospitals. What were the circumstances behind the deaths of these 420 children? Were they fighting other illnesses? Were they already chronically ill(cancer, pneumonia, tetanus, hepatitis, etc.)? Did these children die because of Covid-19, OR JUST WITH IT? Context please! Not just more fear mongering, or appeals to pathos!

Wow, so the immunity of children is much less for the delta variant.

So what's next? We start rationalizing how to screw up the health of our future generations? This is exactly why a little knowledge can be so dangerous. I sincerely hope that this insanity is taken off the table. Adults have the right to act like close-minded blind idiots, but leave the children alone! They don't need their immune system to be genetically altered. It's just fine the way it is.

However, I guess we DO need to do something about global overpopulation. And, the idiots already think that a virus with a 1-2% mortality rate is a virial apocalypse. So, maybe this is the best opportunity. In Australia, we can protect our investments in mRNA research and manufacturing, and also slow down population growth as well. Another Win-win. Stay, sit, good boy.

Australia announces $50 M investment in mRNA vaccine manufacturing

Monash University’s world-leading experts will work with the Victorian Government,

www.biospectrumasia.com

And, no, this is not a conspiracy theory. This is a FACT!!

 

[HBS Guy]

Mortality rate is increasing with the newer variants.

I post info from the Nature emails I get. Sorry the news doesn’t please you.

A mask protects others.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

A mask protects others.

My question was NOT about whether wearing masks protects others from you. Which it doesn't. The mucus discharge has to go somewhere when you sneeze or cough, right?. My question was about why you are hostile towards those NOT wearing masks, if you are already protected?

You were the one calling people who don't wear masks, idiots. So again, why would you care as long as YOU are protected? NOT whether masks protect others!!! Can't these "others" wear masks as well?

Mortality rate is increasing with the newer variants.

What does that even mean? If no one died in a week, and 1 person died on the 8th day, you could say that the mortality rate has increased. It is just misleading. In Australia, when has the average mortality rate over the past 18 months, NOT been between 1-2%? Also, ALL mutated strains of any virus, will always be weaker in some way, from their parent strain. So, evidence please!

I post info from the Nature emails I get. Sorry the news doesn’t please you.

Unless the editor is God himself, so what? The verifiable truth always pleases me. My problem is the dissemination of half-truths, selected truths, and omitted truths. We are all smarter than this! We are NOT sheep!

We could package this exact same false hysteria, and apply it to the cold and flu viruses. You do realize that people are still dying from catching colds and flus?

 

[johnsmith]

Which it doesn't.

of course they do. Are they 100% mucus proof? No, and no one has ever claimed that they were, but they do restrict the amount of discharge that is released in the air .

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

of course they do. Are they 100% mucus proof? No, and no one has ever claimed that they were, but they do restrict the amount of discharge that is released in the air .

I doubt if the thousands of infected healthcare workers would agree with you. And, they wear the best masks available. But of course, NO ONE has made the claim that masks are 100% mucus proof. Right? And since NOTHING on earth is 100% anything, it is just another safe and obvious straw man for you. Masks absolutely do restrict/reduce the release of mucus discharge into the air. But they don't prevent any discharge into the air. But again, this was NOT the point I was making. So let me try again, and hope you don't start talking about butterflies as carriers. Or, create another straw man to talk to.

If you want to wear a mask, that is your choice. I don't criticize you, ridicule you, disrespect your choice, shame you, demean you, or force you to NOT wear masks while shopping. Since you ARE protected from symptomatic people NOT wearing masks, or, believe that you are unlikely to infect others, then what is the problem? If you believe that wearing masks will prevent you from developing Covid-19, then just wear them. No one is stopping you. And leave people who choose NOT to wear them alone. Their choice is based entirely on science, NOT on ignorance and compliancy.

Here's a test for you. Put your mask on. Stick your head under water and sneeze or cough. If any bubbles come up to the surfaces, this means that air has escaped into the air. And, if air has escaped, then some of the mucus discharge has also escaped. Right?

So unless your mask is completely duct-taped to your face, and you are wearing a complete self-contained hazmat suit, and living at the bottom of a filled swimming pool, there will always be a chance of you being infected or you infecting others.

 

[johnsmith]

I doubt if the thousands of infected healthcare workers would agree with you.

I doubt you'll find many if any at all that will agree with you. Aside from that, health care workers wear masks to protect their patients, not to protect themselves.

But of course, NO ONE has made the claim that masks are 100% mucus proof. Right?

then don't pretend the mucus escapes when you mean only a small amount of the mucus might

Since you ARE protected from symptomatic people NOT wearing masks, or, believe that you are unlikely to infect others, then what is the problem?

again, you're being an idiot .. how am I protected? if you don't wear a mask and you have covid you place me at risk. People wear masks to protect OTHERS, not themselves.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

I doubt you'll find many if any at all that will agree with you. Aside from that, health care workers wear masks to protect their patients, not to protect themselves.

You have no idea who agrees with me, or who doesn't. I marched with thousands who do agree with me.

You must be the silliest person on the planet, if you believe that healthcare workers, wear masks to protect their patients, but NOT to also protect themselves as well. I won't bother asking for evidence, because we both know that none exists.

then don't pretend the mucus escapes when you mean only a small amount of the mucus might

You're just a sad little troll, that needs to nit-pick my individual words, in order to have anything at all to contribute to the conversation. You're the insecure, confused, sad, close-minded, ignorant government sycophant toady, that will always ignore, dismiss, or refuse to address,

Why people choose NOT to be vaccinated?
Why people choose NOT to wear masks?
Why people wearing masks should care if others don't?
How/Why having multiple vaccines only weaken the immune system?
How vaccines work in the body?
What is a virus, and what does it do?
How the immune system works?
What do broad-spectrum antibodies do?

I guess, it is amount of mucus that escapes from the sides of your mask, that is of paramount importance to you, right?

again, you're being an idiot .. how am I protected? if you don't wear a mask and you have covid you place me at risk. People wear masks to protect OTHERS, not themselves.

This is possibly the dumbest comment I have ever heard on this forum. Only a true idiot could make up this silly logic. I would really re-think what you are saying here. Maybe you should call a friend.

These sort of comments are why idiots should always be told what to do. And, should always do as they are told. Sit. Stay. Good Boy.

 

[johnsmith]

You're just a sad little troll, that needs to nit-pick my individual words, in order to have anything at all to contribute to the conversation.

you mean like carrying on about the 100% figure?

This is possibly the dumbest comment I have ever heard on this forum

you should try reading your posts if you want to see some really dumb comments.

Masks are designed to STOP THE SPREAD of covid, not to protect you ... any protection is secondary to their main purpose . Doctors typically wear masks so as to not give their patients an infection. Not because they're worried cutting someone open might led to them catching whatever the patient is suffering from.

 

[greggerypeccary]

This is possibly the dumbest comment I have ever heard on this forum.

Masks are worn (primarily) to protect other people.

What part of this don't you understand?

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

you mean like carrying on about the 100% figure?

You are the only one who mentioned 100% dumb-dumb. Be mature enough to own it!

you should try reading your posts if you want to see some really dumb comments.

I would love to see even one of these posts, with me making these dumb comments. Just more "huff and bluff" distractions as usual. I won't hold my breath.

Masks are designed to STOP THE SPREAD of covid, not to protect you ... any protection is secondary to their main purpose . Doctors typically wear masks so as to not give their patients an infection. Not because they're worried cutting someone open might led to them catching whatever the patient is suffering from.

Again more deepities and gibberish. How are masked designed to stop(?) the spread of the coronavirus. Clearly it has not or could not STOP this spread. I thought we were talking about the average joe wearing a mask, and NOT a surgeon prepping for surgery(and all healthcare workers don't prep for surgery). Another silly straw man plucked from the anals of your mind. Believe me, if a patient needs to be operated on by a surgeon, catching a virus is not a high priority.

Masks are worn (primarily) to protect other people.

What part of this don't you understand?

What part don't YOU understand? Do you think that everyone wearing masks has Covid-19? Think about this, BOTH YOU DUMB-DUMBS!! If you and the other 98% of Australians who are NOT infected, who are asymptomatic, who have tested negative, or who have fully recovered from Covid-19, then why the fuck would any of these people need to wear a mask??? What are they protecting others from??? Bad breath?? Do you understand that part? Oh!! Here's a stretch. Maybe some people believe that their mask will protect them from being infected by someone who actually HAS Covid-19?? What do you think?

I can't believe that wearing masks to protect yourself from others, or others from you, is even an issue here. I don't give a shit why you want to wear a mask. I only give a shit when you force ME to wear one. I don't know how I can make this any clearer. Without pictures.

Now the government is forcing everyone to be vaccinated, or else! And, this doesn't even raise an eyebrow. Now I understand why the Jews didn't fight back. Soon there will random checking of vaccine papers. I never thought Australia would come to this. And, I never thought just how weak-willed and compliant Australians really are. The minute someone can say two sentences, without using the word "bloody", he becomes the leader! Sit. Stay. Good Boy.

 

[johnsmith]

You have no idea who agrees with me, or who doesn't.

i have as much of an idea as you do, and from the looks of it, probably more.

I marched with thousands who do agree with me.

and you polled them all as to what their occupation was, right?

You are the only one who mentioned 100% dumb-dumb.

and you were the one who was crying about (to use your phrase) 'nit picking my individual words'.

I would love to see even one of these posts, with me making these dumb comments.

pick any of your posts, the odds are in your favour

Again more deepities and gibberish. How are masked designed to stop(?) the spread of the coronavirus

you cry about nit picking words and then spend all your time nit picking words. Masks are designed to reduce the spread. Are you happy now?

I thought we were talking about the average joe wearing a mask, and NOT a surgeon prepping for surgery(and all healthcare workers don't prep for surgery).

it makes no difference who is wearing the mask. In either case their primary role is to reduce the spread of any contagions

Believe me, if a patient needs to be operated on by a surgeon, catching a virus is not a high priority.

but reducing the chances of getting an infection on the exposed 'cut' is a high priority with all surgeons

Here's a stretch. Maybe some people believe that their mask will protect them from being infected by someone who actually HAS Covid-19?? What do you think?

I think that they'd be as misinformed as you