Covid-19 Revisit
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Now if you are given what’s called an “on the spot fine” for a masking violation, do you have a right to a hearing before a judge? A right to a trial?You are correct in the US Seth. But these due process rights are NOT guaranteed rights here. Or, are they protected by a Constitution here. However, just one correction. You can certainly do jail-time for any civil/criminal infractions. Don't pay your speeding or parking tickets and see what happens. Don't show up to court on ignore a due date, and see how quickly an arrest/bench warrant is issued. So, you can do jail-time in any category.
In Sydney, 2 people(out of the 30K+) were arrested for supposedly attacking cops. 2 people were arrested for supposedly attacking horses(not defending themselves from horses). The majority of people that were dobbed in will receive their infringement notices, for violating sections of the Public Health Act, that will be served to them by their local Gestapo. Some of these orders and restrictions can land a person in jail. But most are civil/criminal infractions. Unless you don't pay.
COVID-19 (Coronavirus) - Public Health Orders and restrictions
To deal with the public health risk of COVID-19 and its possible consequences, the Minister for Health and Medical Research has made a number of Orders, under section 7 of the Public Health Act 2010.www.health.nsw.gov.au
Here is more lunacy. In Queensland, you can exercise and swim at the beaches. But, you can't sunbake or gather in groups. And, they say this to rational people, as though it is rational.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6714709/what-people-are-being-fined-for-during-covid-19/
There is a socially disturbing outcome to this lunacy. The government is openly censoring dissent, by telling Australians to dob-in other Australians. This allows the police to serve infringement notices in private, and with warnings. This will discourage people from attending any future rallies and voicing dissension. This seems to be the primary motive of the government, not any due process. Make sure that people realize that dissenting against the government is going to be expensive. Government wins, and poor people lose.
My advice to all non-sheep, is to vote these bastards out. Just send them an email, a text, a letter, or better yet call them. And tell them, "you have ruined my life and livelihood, more than this virus ever could. So, enjoy screwing us over while you can. You won't be here after the next election to continue screwing us over.". This is our only real power. USE IT!!! This is your country, not theirs. They work for you.
Listen to the new level of restrictions in NSW. All because of 239 new cases(remember there are 658 Suburbs in NSW). No context or perspective. Just how many new cases.
Protester accused of police horse punch REFUSES COVID test behind bars
A man accused of striking police horse Tobruk in the Sydney anti-lockdown protests remains in jail.7news.com.au
I lol’d at “You can eat a bag of dicks.”
Shellandshilo1956
Active member
Before I answer that, here are some more disturbing revelation about this now Authoritarian government. People in NSW must now carry ID(proof of residency), and must answer if they have been tested for Covid-19. Now it is getting serious.
https://www.qld.gov.au/health/condi...atus/public-health-directions/mandatory-masks
This government has violated many of its own Australian Human Rights Commission's rulings. During this pandemic, many of the decisions made by government, were made at the National Cabinet, NOT IN PARLIAMENT. This means that any human rights scrutiny only happens AFTER the measures have already been put in place and are already affecting people’s lives.
There won't be a trial by jury, regarding any health violation fines. But you can ask to plead your case in front of a judge. You are also entitled to be represented by your own solicitor. However, if you loose, you must pay for all costs and fees. So, it would be much cheaper just to pay the fine.
The only practical thing that we can do is to vote them out. But tell them first, so they know why they will be leaving. And, as a message for the next mob, that it is the people's interests that must be protected, and listened to.
So I remember some government official saying they wanted to track down all 3500 protesters at one of the protests. My thought was this. All 3500 plead not guilty and demand a trial. Make the government prove its case all 3500 times. And all future times. When these courts end up overwhelmed with backlogged cases, I wonder if they'll think it was worth it. No one has to spend their own money on a lawyer. Just make the government produce witnesses and prove it thousands of times from now until hell freezes over.Before I answer that, here are some more disturbing revelation about this now Authoritarian government. People in NSW must now carry ID(proof of residency), and must answer if they have been tested for Covid-19. Now it is getting serious.
https://www.qld.gov.au/health/condi...atus/public-health-directions/mandatory-masks
This government has violated many of its own Australian Human Rights Commission's rulings. During this pandemic, many of the decisions made by government, were made at the National Cabinet, NOT IN PARLIAMENT. This means that any human rights scrutiny only happens AFTER the measures have already been put in place and are already affecting people’s lives.
There won't be a trial by jury, regarding any health violation fines. But you can ask to plead your case in front of a judge. You are also entitled to be represented by your own solicitor. However, if you loose, you must pay for all costs and fees. So, it would be much cheaper just to pay the fine.
The only practical thing that we can do is to vote them out. But tell them first, so they know why they will be leaving. And, as a message for the next mob, that it is the people's interests that must be protected, and listened to.
govt will hit you up with costs
Besides, resistance may require some level of sacrifice, and that really isn’t very much.
Update:
Cases are spiking up again, most likely due to the delta variant. Some states, including mine, are running out of hospital beds and ICU beds.
We are learning that vaccination does not stop infection and transmission, but it does lessen the effect of infection. (Such was the case with me.) The large majority of the most seriously ill and dying are unvaccinated people.
The governor of Oregon has reimposed a statewide mask mandate in all public indoor spaces. She has also imposed a vaccination requirement for all state employees. Refusal to vaccinate can result in being fired, although I am guessing the first time that happens, it will wind up in court. My guess is that the Oregon Supreme Court would side with the governor, but that remains to be seen.
The governor is also mobilizing the National Guard to help exhausted medical workers in our hospitals.
And finally, it appears as though the delta variant is in fact more transmissible than the original virus was. It’s transmissibility is no joke, it appears.
With only just over half of the U.S. population fully vaccinated (51%) (61% with one dose) it looks like this is heading towards a public health crisis in the near term.
We’re all tired of this, but clearly, we’ve got a ways to go before we’re out of the woods.
Cases are spiking up again, most likely due to the delta variant. Some states, including mine, are running out of hospital beds and ICU beds.
We are learning that vaccination does not stop infection and transmission, but it does lessen the effect of infection. (Such was the case with me.) The large majority of the most seriously ill and dying are unvaccinated people.
The governor of Oregon has reimposed a statewide mask mandate in all public indoor spaces. She has also imposed a vaccination requirement for all state employees. Refusal to vaccinate can result in being fired, although I am guessing the first time that happens, it will wind up in court. My guess is that the Oregon Supreme Court would side with the governor, but that remains to be seen.
The governor is also mobilizing the National Guard to help exhausted medical workers in our hospitals.
And finally, it appears as though the delta variant is in fact more transmissible than the original virus was. It’s transmissibility is no joke, it appears.
With only just over half of the U.S. population fully vaccinated (51%) (61% with one dose) it looks like this is heading towards a public health crisis in the near term.
We’re all tired of this, but clearly, we’ve got a ways to go before we’re out of the woods.
greggerypeccary
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I heard from a health professional the other day (not Facebook or fucking Twitter) that 2xAZ followed up by 1xPfizer offers the best protection.
Unfortunately, I've had 2xPfizer and apparently following that up with 1xAZ isn't as effective.
I had to have Pfizer due to a blood disorder.
Anyway, at least I'm protected.
Shellandshilo1956
Active member
And, how many of those unvaccinated dying, were in the high risk category? Are you also saying that a small group of vaccinated people were also dying? What is the mortality rate of this disease.
Why are we talking about this disease, like we are in a soapy?
I don't know how many of the unvaccinated were in a high risk category. As far as the mortality rate between vaccinated and unvaccinated, we know that the mortality rate is heavily weighted to the unvaccinated. Reports are that the percentage of people dying are in the high 90s as being unvaccinated. 99% has been reported. I may have seen a report where it was slightly less, like 95%.
Why are we talking about it? You have written volumes about it. Your country and mine are all affected by it. I'm a little baffled by that question.
Shellandshilo1956
Active member
No you don't! And here-in lies the problem. It doesn't matter if 10 times more people will die from obesity-related illnesses, smoking related illnesses, alcohol related illnesses, diabetes, or even from work-related accidents every year. Covid-19 is the only flavor of the year. And only its deaths and infections are being spewed all over the print and news outlets. And, unfortunately, you are spewing out the same half-truths, misinformation, and fear-rhetoric. Which is what is keeping this insanity going. And, it doesn't even phase you in knowing, that all of these other deaths could have been prevented.
There is no doubt in my mind that the majority of people who have died from this disease were not vaccinated(duh!). Nor is there any doubt in my mind, that a vaccinated 90yo with chronic congestive lung disease, would also have very little chance of surviving this virus. Hence why the overwhelming majority of people dying from covid-19, seem to be the elderly with chronic health issues, people who already have a compromised immune system, or people who have other serious chronic health issues(cancers, infections, immune deficiencies, organ impairments, etc.). This is the sort of question that you should be asking before spreading more fear and apathy. Or in supporting an irrelevant argument(vaccines). I have no issue with people choosing to vaccinate themselves.
It doesn't matter whether you are vaccinated or not. Being vaccinated only primes your immune system to react sooner if you are infected. But you are still carrying the antibodies around in your body. Sometimes these antibodies may attack other cells or systems of the body as they evolve. We just don't know at this time. It is not wise to try and change any system that has taken billions of years to evolve.
Do you mention the actual number of people in the states who have recovered(16.3M)? I wonder how many of them were vaccinated? Of course not! The media hype is much more interesting.
United States Coronavirus COVID-19 Recovered - March 2022 Data
United States recorded 16306656 Coronavirus Recovered since the epidemic began, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). In addition, United States reported 797346 <b><a href=/united-states/coronavirus-deaths>Coronavirus Deaths</a></b>. This page includes a chart with historical data...
tradingeconomics.com
How about in Australia? Do they mention the number of people who have recovered(25,486)? Were the majority of them also vaccinated/unvaccinated? Nope. You must only parrot the hype and fear-mongering to keep this insanity going. Do you know how many people under 70 have died in Australia? 69. ALL but one was in the high risk-group. No one under 20 has died. Yet it is the under 70 who are over 8 times more infected(33,246) than those over 70(4,086). And clearly we haven't had over 4K deaths from those infected over 70 have we? So even the vast majority in this group will recover. Vaccinated or not.
Australia Coronavirus COVID-19 Recovered - August 2022 Data
Australia recorded 25486 Coronavirus Recovered since the epidemic began, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). In addition, Australia reported 2113 <b><a href=/australia/coronavirus-deaths>Coronavirus Deaths</a></b>. This page includes a chart with historical data for Australia...
tradingeconomics.com
In reality, there have been an average of 1.8 people dying each day in Australia from Covid-19 since March 1st 2020(947 deaths/532 days). Or 1.2K people have died in the US each day during this same period. Remember 5.2K people die in the US per day for other reasons.
This is a flu-like virus, that behaves like the flu, looks like the flu, and is treated exactly the same as the flu. It doesn't matter how many people are being infected, all that matters is the number of deaths. And, exactly why certain groups die from this disease and others don't. It is NOT the viral apocalyptic killing pathogen, that will kill every man woman and child, that the media is trying to portray. It is just another flu-like virus running its course during the winter, when our immune system is at its weakest. The rest is just unsupported sensationalized hype, and a herd-mentality response.
Vaccines DO NOT stop the spread of any virus, humans do. Viruses DO NOT kill people, our immune response does. Vaccines DO NOT prevent any viral infections. It can only respond quicker, and may lessen the severity. Vaccines DO NOT contain any real or live viruses. They are all engineered fragments(parts), RNA/DNA replicants of a virus, or an inert part of the virus. So our body is in fact just building antibodies against anything that looks and behaves like the real pathogen.
Look I don't care if people choose to be safe than sorry. That is their business and their choice. But I know what happens to lies and disinformation, when it is repeated often enough. It will become the truth. Now I am being forced to bargain with my own freedoms, in order to get back to the pre Covid-19 days. Remember it is the government that represents me, and it is the government that has taken away my liberties. Who took my health choices away? And it is this same government that is now denigrating all non-compliant people for making them continue to extend our suffering. In NSW it is now a $5K fine to be more that 5km from your own home without a good reason. 1,500 Highway Patrol cops, are now mandated to enforce this government directive. And for people who have decided to vote for a minority party, the government has now increased minimum membership from 500 to 1,500 to be recognized.
What is it going to take? People wondered why the JEW in Germany just didn't fight back against their oppressors. Well now I know why. Come on Aussies, come on!
Haha, that last statement sounds a lot like a statement that would come out of the mouth of someone who was born and raised in America.No you don't! And here-in lies the problem. It doesn't matter if 10 times more people will die from obesity-related illnesses, smoking related illnesses, alcohol related illnesses, diabetes, or even from work-related accidents every year. Covid-19 is the only flavor of the year. And only its deaths and infections are being spewed all over the print and news outlets. And, unfortunately, you are spewing out the same half-truths, misinformation, and fear-rhetoric. Which is what is keeping this insanity going. And, it doesn't even phase you in knowing, that all of these other deaths could have been prevented.
There is no doubt in my mind that the majority of people who have died from this disease were not vaccinated(duh!). Nor is there any doubt in my mind, that a vaccinated 90yo with chronic congestive lung disease, would also have very little chance of surviving this virus. Hence why the overwhelming majority of people dying from covid-19, seem to be the elderly with chronic health issues, people who already have a compromised immune system, or people who have other serious chronic health issues(cancers, infections, immune deficiencies, organ impairments, etc.). This is the sort of question that you should be asking before spreading more fear and apathy. Or in supporting an irrelevant argument(vaccines). I have no issue with people choosing to vaccinate themselves.
It doesn't matter whether you are vaccinated or not. Being vaccinated only primes your immune system to react sooner if you are infected. But you are still carrying the antibodies around in your body. Sometimes these antibodies may attack other cells or systems of the body as they evolve. We just don't know at this time. It is not wise to try and change any system that has taken billions of years to evolve.
Do you mention the actual number of people in the states who have recovered(16.3M)? I wonder how many of them were vaccinated? Of course not! The media hype is much more interesting.
United States Coronavirus COVID-19 Recovered - March 2022 Data
United States recorded 16306656 Coronavirus Recovered since the epidemic began, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). In addition, United States reported 797346 <b><a href=/united-states/coronavirus-deaths>Coronavirus Deaths</a></b>. This page includes a chart with historical data...
How about in Australia? Do they mention the number of people who have recovered(25,486)? Were the majority of them also vaccinated/unvaccinated? Nope. You must only parrot the hype and fear-mongering to keep this insanity going. Do you know how many people under 70 have died in Australia? 69. ALL but one was in the high risk-group. No one under 20 has died. Yet it is the under 70 who are over 8 times more infected(33,246) than those over 70(4,086). And clearly we haven't had over 4K deaths from those infected over 70 have we? So even the vast majority in this group will recover. Vaccinated or not.
Australia Coronavirus COVID-19 Recovered - August 2022 Data
Australia recorded 25486 Coronavirus Recovered since the epidemic began, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). In addition, Australia reported 2113 <b><a href=/australia/coronavirus-deaths>Coronavirus Deaths</a></b>. This page includes a chart with historical data for Australia...
In reality, there have been an average of 1.8 people dying each day in Australia from Covid-19 since March 1st 2020(947 deaths/532 days). Or 1.2K people have died in the US each day during this same period. Remember 5.2K people die in the US per day for other reasons.
This is a flu-like virus, that behaves like the flu, looks like the flu, and is treated exactly the same as the flu. It doesn't matter how many people are being infected, all that matters is the number of deaths. And, exactly why certain groups die from this disease and others don't. It is NOT the viral apocalyptic killing pathogen, that will kill every man woman and child, that the media is trying to portray. It is just another flu-like virus running its course during the winter, when our immune system is at its weakest. The rest is just unsupported sensationalized hype, and a herd-mentality response.
Vaccines DO NOT stop the spread of any virus, humans do. Viruses DO NOT kill people, our immune response does. Vaccines DO NOT prevent any viral infections. It can only respond quicker, and may lessen the severity. Vaccines DO NOT contain any real or live viruses. They are all engineered fragments(parts), RNA/DNA replicants of a virus, or an inert part of the virus. So our body is in fact just building antibodies against anything that looks and behaves like the real pathogen.
Look I don't care if people choose to be safe than sorry. That is their business and their choice. But I know what happens to lies and disinformation, when it is repeated often enough. It will become the truth. Now I am being forced to bargain with my own freedoms, in order to get back to the pre Covid-19 days. Remember it is the government that represents me, and it is the government that has taken away my liberties. Who took my health choices away? And it is this same government that is now denigrating all non-compliant people for making them continue to extend our suffering. In NSW it is now a $5K fine to be more that 5km from your own home without a good reason. 1,500 Highway Patrol cops, are now mandated to enforce this government directive. And for people who have decided to vote for a minority party, the government has now increased minimum membership from 500 to 1,500 to be recognized.
What is it going to take? People wondered why the JEW in Germany just didn't fight back against their oppressors. Well now I know why. Come on Aussies, come on!
I am coming to the realization that we are not going to eradicate this virus in the near future, no matter what we do. We are going to have to live with it in our midst.
We also know that this virus mutates, and it appears that the Delta variant is more transmissible than the original virus. Inevitably, there will be other variants as time passes.
We have a country of 333 million. So far, we have had 37 million cases in a year and a half. We can therefore do some rough math and resign ourselves to the fact that in some number of years there will have been a total number of infections that equals the total population. In other words, the chances are that if you live for the next ten years or so - or much longer for the younger generations - you're probably going to get infected at some point.
In growing numbers of areas in the U.S., hospitals and ICUs are being overwhelmed. The patients are mostly unvaccinated, and the average age of these patients is dropping.
In addition to that problem, the economy is affected, and kids aren't going to school. Whether they return to school, and under what conditions, is a major controversy, and that issue too does not appear to be going away any time soon.
And in your country, from what I've read here, government's attempts to suppress the spread of this virus are far more oppressive than in the U.S. Your country has had more success at suppressing the spread of the virus, but the question is this: Do you want to live with that level of government regulation of your lives endlessly? You probably don't. Just like Americans, you want to get back to normal.
So, if we want to get back to normal, it appears to me that our best option is to mitigate the effects of the virus. And right now, it appears that the most effective way to mitigate the effects of the virus is to vaccinate. With some few exceptions, we are seeing that the people requiring hospitalization, the people put in ICUs, the people on ventilators, and the people who are dying are unvaccinated. We are seeing that vaccinated people get less sick. I realize that one case is anecdotal and not a scientific study. But in my own case, I'm sure it was the Delta variant, and I was really only sick for about 48 hours.
We may not be able to do much about the infection rate. But if we can knock down the hospitalization and death rate to a level of the rate for the common flu, we could get back to normal. Back to normal for our health system, back to normal for our education system, back to normal for our economy, and back to normal for our usual and customary freedoms to gather and travel.
We are faced with choices, aren't we?
I'm curious ... Here's what I want you to address in your response.
What do you want Australia to do? From what I've read, you want all of your freedoms back. You also do not want to vaccinate. Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but that's the impression I get. Do you want to fully open up, go back to normal life, end all restrictions, and make vaccination purely optional? Or what? What do you want?
That's awesome, as long as it's optional. Let people make their own health decisions. More people would trust the government if they didn't try to force the jab on us.
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greggerypeccary
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Yep.
And the crazy anti-vaxxers won't be able to travel, go to sporting events, or attend concerts.
Shellandshilo1956
Active member
Thank you. If you never see another video, please look at this one. I've listed it twice.
One, viruses have always been in our midst, even before we humans arrived of the scene. Two, ALL viruses mutate. This is why most cold a flu viruses vaccines are useless. Three, ALL variants of the original virus are weaker in some aspects to the original, and stronger in other aspects. But as long as you are unvaccinated, the natural non-specific broad-spectrum antibodies of your immune system will fight any variant. After being vaccinated, these new specific antibodies will out-compete our natural antibodies. Thus allowing any other variant(or any other virus) a free pass from your immune response. Therefore, the only response by our immune system, will be to the inevitable infections that the virus will cause. And, eventually death of the host. And these vaccine produced non-broad-spectrum specific antibodies, will always be a part of the immune system. Why can't we just stop messing with nature?
What Is R0? Gauging Contagious Infections
R0 indicates how contagious a disease is. Learn how it works and the R0 values for various diseases.
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Again, just more misinformation. This virus, like all other flu-like viruses is seasonal. Hence why the curve goes up and down regardless of anything we physically do. There are many variables that you have NOT factored into this math. Over 43M Americans are over 65. Over 80% of Americans live in densely populated cities and urbane areas. That in America, there is NO distinction made between death by Covid-19, and death with Covid-19. If the autopsy reveals that the virus was in the body, then the person is reported as dying from Covid-19 complications. There are also other factors to consider before making such a blanket probability conclusion(age, gender, health issues, occupation, climate, temperature, herd immunity, etc.).
Again, denigrating unvaccinated people, by also implying that they are the reasons why our entire hospital system is being overwhelmed, is unfair, misconstrued, and discriminatory. It doesn't matter if you are vaccinated or not. At triage you will still be prescribed the same medications for your symptoms, drink plenty of fluids, and stay in bed. Since I don't speculate, I won't comment that all hospitals are bursting at the seams with unvaccinated Civid-19 patients, and that hundreds or seriously ill patients are being turned away. If this is happening then it shouldn't be. Or, that all hospital staff are completely worn out fighting to stay ahead of this deadly pandemic. Sorry, this sounds more fictional than factual. Because no one fights a virus. You can only treat the symptoms.
Now we are turning on each other. Those horrible unvaccinated people are now the cause of us NOT getting back to normal. We must deal with them, or this will never end. All nonsense, and a page out of Joseph Goebbels's propaganda playbook(find a common enemy to blame for your problems). Remember, unvaccinated people did not restrict/suspend your freedoms, force you to wear masks, or force you to distance yourself from others. They didn't ask for you to download locator apps, stay in quarantine camps, close down your borders, or make you account for your leaving home. They did not force the closure of thousands of small businesses, schools, sporting venues, destroy our economy, etc.
But the government needs a scapegoat, or they might risk looking like a kid with childish solutions to an impossible problem. So blame the people who ARE directly responsible. Just write, e-mail, text, phone, or even visit your local, state, and federal representative. And simply tell them politely that,
"Anyone that is willing to destroy our society and economy, ignore our privacy, and restrict our liberties, just because of a relative non-lethal flu-like pathogen smaller than visible light, can no longer be trusted to represent me. Please look for employment more suited to your blatant contempt for the lives of others.".
If only 10% of the population did this, all this crap would end immediately. Politicians only give a shit about one thing, and YOU are not very high on that list.
What success? If there were any then why after over a year and a half, are we talking about building more quarantine camps, forcing people to be vaccinated, increasing fines to $5K(even burglars don't receive such high fines)? Did logic and common sense just take a nose dive? No, this is just governmental CYA.
Only an idiot would think that you can suppress the spread of any virus. And why THIS comparatively less-lethal virus, than any of the other viruses in the last 70 years(Ebola virus has an 80%+ mortality rate)? Don't people realize that there is no cure for any virus? Unfortunately, most Australians will just do as they are told. Or worse, they will rationalize what they are being told. Fortunately, there is a growing number of us, willing to fight to get our freedoms back. People who will actually look at the facts, and see through the disinformation and half-truths.
Why do you think the number of recoveries, and the number of infected vaccinated, or the health conditions prior to death, are conveniently left out? Did you know that vaccines will produce only specific and variant-limited-non-spectrum antibodies. Which over time will begin to out-compete the non-specific broad-spectrum antibodies that the immune system actually needs to use. These are the natural antibodies that we naturally produce to fight any variation of any pathogen.
I never thought this could happen in Australia. But it is happening. The apathy, ignorance, and indifference here is incredulous. People will do whatever they are told without question. I don't think there is any limit the government could go, that would even raise an eyebrow here. They just bitch and moan about the government like hens. But at the end of the day, they will be in the "dying cockroach" position, waiting to complain about the next government policy. I have said that this would happen whenever you give power to children.
And, what about the next virus that the government tries to sensationalize? Or, for the next contrived/manufactured excuse that the government uses for another lockdown? If the government is in charge of us, and controls our freedoms, then YES, we should all do as we are told, and then try and bargain to get back our freedom of choice/privacy. But, if we are really in charge of the government, and it really works for us, then we must send them a message voicing our disapproval. Just as it is the right of every woman to make decisions concerning her own reproduction choices, so should we all make choices about our own health related issues. Otherwise, why don't we just ban alcohol, refined sugars, fast-food outlets, and all tobacco products, if the health industry and government really cares? Clearly their products are killing thousands of people per day. This is sheer medical hypocrisy!
Correct, I personally CHOOSE not be vaccinated for the reasons that I've deposited. I want my immune system to be able to respond to ANY pathogen. Not to only a specific pathogen. I am also against being forced to be vaccinated(directly or indirectly). Also for the same reasons. If people want to be vaccinated that is their business not mine.
Australia should have devoted more resources(money, equipment, staff, testing and vaccine centers, etc.). Provided more unbiased information regarding this virus. Including distancing, wearing masks, treatment of symptoms, self-isolation, and where to get more information and support group contacts. BUT ALL THIS MUST BE VOLUNTARY!
YES, I do want to go back to the pre-Covid-19 days, when all of our health choices were voluntary and made in private. I also want the government to be accountable for all it has done to this country. Otherwise, it will just repeat its actions again. Even high-schoolers wouldn't come up with these kind of solutions. They would have stopped at keeping people 2 meters apart. But this government will still double-down, even when it knows that its solutions are impractical and unenforceable.
Now, a "ring of steel" around Sydney? Stay within 15km of your home, and now talks of mandatory vaccines and vaccine passports? This slipper slope is just gong from bad to worse. These power-mad egoists have got to go. Don't vote for any of the main parties, because they all eat at the same expensive restaurants.
Sorry for the length. It takes me time to do the research. And I want to make sure you have all the facts.