Covid-19 Revisit

DonDeeHippy

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Maybe he/she can change the human condition, but chooses not to interfere(free will and all). So, no, this does not prove that God does not exist. There is no way to objectively prove that God exist, or doesn't exist. The only thing that is real, is the human condition. And, it never ceases to amaze me, just how easy it is for the media to manipulated and controlled the minds of the masses. We all crave our poisons and our pleasures. And, the media gives us both.
ahh the media is god....
 

DonDeeHippy

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Why are they having a 3 day lockdown? Did thousands more people suddenly become infected with this 1% deadly virus. Should we force them to stay in their homes, and starve them all to death? At least there will be fewer people for the virus to infect. I also heard that if all people DON'T submit to testing, that the lockdown will be extended to 6 weeks. Now this is the fucking madness that the sheep have allowed to happen.
why are you asking me.....Ask Palisachook
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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Strike a nerve did I? Reality hit you?
FYI, I was talking about the photo Don put up with the guy buying a trolley full of toilet paper:jumping
Oh. I get it all right. But just in case this was another one of your indirect messages or insults, I want it clear, that any insults from you(direct, latent, indirect, veiled, or even inferred), will be taken only as a compliment. What should be concerning to you, is WHY this guy would feel the need to panic-buy toilet tissues. But I guess making a joke about his desperation, is more important than the cause of his desperation. Right?

Regarding this ONE person in all of Australia, who was tested positive for this variant of concern, (VOC) 202012/01. Is there a rational reason for concern here? Since this strain is much less lethal(50% less), but is 70% more virulent(up to 4.4 people) than its original strain(up to 2.6 people), I'd say, definitely NOT. This new strain is also context and time specific. Do you think that the media will emphasize all these facts as well? Sensationalism and fear increases ratings. But hey, sheep are not interested in facts and truth. They are only interested in sensationalism, drama, and being entertained. Just like we see in the movies. If the media says that this is a new and more virulent strain of the SARS 2 virus, the gullible will just assume that it is much more deadlier. It isn't, and it is short-lived.

because they want to finish all the contact tracing and isolate everyone who might be infected before the new strain spreads throughout the general public .
Do you really believe this? Do you really think that the government can isolate, identify, locate, test, monitor, and quarantine every single person, that has been within 4 square meters of of this one hotel worker? IN ONLY 3 DAYS? I serious doubt it.

It is truly sad to see the iconic Aussie spirit, reduced to this level of ignorance, apathy, and complacency. Really? Is policing to keep 26M people 4 square meters apart, giving people masks that provide very little protection, destroying the hopes and dream of our work and business force, or the isolating and quarantining of an entire nation from within and without its borders, really the best strategies that the best Aussie minds could come up with? Now these same minds are making it mandatory that everyone must wear a mask in public(talk about bullying). Soon, they will make it mandatory, that everyone must be tested, or that everyone must be tracked by the government for health reasons. If people refuse, then the lockdown will continue indefinite(blackmailing its own people). That is, until even the most complacent and apathetic citizen is forced to grows a pair.

You don't get it do you? There will always be people being infected by this and other viruses. Going into lockdowns every time there are a few new cases in Australia, is just insane. People are constantly being bombarded with how many thousands have been infected, or have died, that even when only 9 new cases of infections prompts a lockdown, people don't even bat an eyelid. Peoples lives' have become insignificant pawns on a chessboard. We may never recover from this economic crisis that WE have allowed to happen. Not the virus.

I don't blame the government for destroying this nation, and its economy. People generally deserve the government that they get. Politicians care more about their own political image, power, and their colleagues, than they will ever care about their constituents. They will always make the tough decisions, as long as the consequences of their decisions don't directly affect them. No, I don't fault the government, but I do fault the gullible, ignorant, indifferent, and complacent people, that just let them get away with it.
 

DonDeeHippy

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Well at least you don't pretend to be making a rational argument. I guess if you have nothing really to say, humor and glib remarks is a good place to start. But thanks for making the effort anyway.
ohh didn't realize you where trying to be rational.....

where the method of very, very, very, very long tirades and throwing in lots of insults to try and hide the fact you don't really know what you're talking about is far superior......
:groan

Tell me if someone insults you do you listen to anything they say after the insult ????

Try to keep it short and don't get personal, best way to actually express a opinion...
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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ohh didn't realize you where trying to be rational.....

where the method of very, very, very, very long tirades and throwing in lots of insults to try and hide the fact you don't really know what you're talking about is far superior......
:groan

Tell me if someone insults you do you listen to anything they say after the insult ????

Try to keep it short and don't get personal, best way to actually express a opinion...
Okay, I will keep my posts short for you. So, are you going to answer the questions that I've asked you? Or not? I'm not hiding from anything, and I am not superior to anyone(whatever that means). The facts that I have presented are available to anyone. My explanations are backed-up by scientific research, and intuitive logical explanations. You are certainly welcome to provide your own explanations. But I will ask you questions for clarity.

You only present one side of the story, by simply parroting what the media tells you. I try to point out the dangers/damages that this one-sided information can cause the public. I also point out why presenting only half-truths is being intellectually dishonest.

Finally, I don't mind being wrong about anything. Life is all about learning from mistakes. So point out the mistakes I've made, not about me personally. I can't help who, or what I am. Nor do I want to. So lets start again.

Do you think that the numbers of recovered Covid-19 victims, is also worth a mention?
Do you think that the demographics, and underlying causes for covid-19 deaths, is also worth a mention?
Do you think that it is possible for 26M people to stay 4 square meters apart from each other, all the time?
Do you think that 26M people can isolate themselves in their homes?
Should our resources be focused on those who are the most vulnerable to Covid-19?
What percentage of the population is infected with Covid-19? What percentage has died? And, what percentage has recovered?
What factors contribute to the morbidity of Covid-19?

Do you think that any of these issue are worth a mention? Or is mentioning only the thousands of daily infected somewhere in the world, or the thousands of deaths somewhere in the world, is all that matters to you?
 

Shellandshilo1956

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no you didn't ... not until it was explained to you. Just like you don't get most things you read
One thing really has nothing to do with the other. Especially, since you never back-up anything you say with evidence. And, you should really take your own advice.

No, i prefer to believe conspiracy theories dreamed up by nutters over the internet
So all of the lockdowns, job losses, closed down businesses, border closures, distancing, new mask-wearing in your car, etc., are only just a figment of my imagination? Got it.

It is also NOT a conspiracy theory that we can't monitor, locate, isolate, test, and quarantine every person that this hotel worker came into contact with, in only 3 days. It is simple just IMPOSSIBLE, and you know it. But hey, if the government wants another excuse to appear being politically proactive at our expense, by claiming that a more virulent virus exists(ignoring that it is 50% less less lethal), is as good an excuse as any. Fuck the people or the consequences. They are all just lazy, apathetic, indifferent, and ignorant pawns anyway. Who cares about the over 95% of the population, who aren't infected at all. They will only do what we tell them, believe whatever we tell them, and will never think for themselves. So, we are justified in doing whatever we want, for whatever reasons we want. Sheep.

Maybe you SHOULD listen to those nutters(anti-lock downers). What are you afraid of? The truth?
 
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johnsmith

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One thing really has nothing to do with the other.

that you don't understand whats written in front of you is the very crux of the matter.

So all of the lockdowns, job losses, closed down businesses, border closures, distancing, new mask-wearing in your car, etc., are only just a figment of my imagination?
no, it's the conspiracy theories you use to explain them are a figment of your imagination. See, I told you that you don't understand whats written in front of you.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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that you don't understand whats written in front of you is the very crux of the matter.
I guess not. So, could you please explain, what exactly is it that I don't understand, and is also the crux of the matter? And, maybe while you're at it, you might answer some of the questions that I've asked you?

no, it's the conspiracy theories you use to explain them are a figment of your imagination. See, I told you that you don't understand whats written in front of you.
Sorry, I said, "So all of the lockdowns, job losses, closed down businesses, border closures, distancing, new mask-wearing in your car, etc., are only just a figment of my imagination?", to prove just the opposite. That the government's actions are NOT just a figments of my imagination, and is NOT just a conspiracy theory. In fact, these events are very real, and very serious.

I thought that you of all people would understand this. Maybe I am not the only one with comprehension problems. I guess sarcasm only works when only YOU are the one using it on others.
 
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DonDeeHippy

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Okay, I will keep my posts short for you. So, are you going to answer the questions that I've asked you? Or not? I'm not hiding from anything, and I am not superior to anyone(whatever that means). The facts that I have presented are available to anyone. My explanations are backed-up by scientific research, and intuitive logical explanations. You are certainly welcome to provide your own explanations. But I will ask you questions for clarity.

You only present one side of the story, by simply parroting what the media tells you. I try to point out the dangers/damages that this one-sided information can cause the public. I also point out why presenting only half-truths is being intellectually dishonest.

Finally, I don't mind being wrong about anything. Life is all about learning from mistakes. So point out the mistakes I've made, not about me personally. I can't help who, or what I am. Nor do I want to. So lets start again.

Do you think that the numbers of recovered Covid-19 victims, is also worth a mention?
Do you think that the demographics, and underlying causes for covid-19 deaths, is also worth a mention?
Do you think that it is possible for 26M people to stay 4 square meters apart from each other, all the time?
Do you think that 26M people can isolate themselves in their homes?
Should our resources be focused on those who are the most vulnerable to Covid-19?
What percentage of the population is infected with Covid-19? What percentage has died? And, what percentage has recovered?
What factors contribute to the morbidity of Covid-19?

Do you think that any of these issue are worth a mention? Or is mentioning only the thousands of daily infected somewhere in the world, or the thousands of deaths somewhere in the world, is all that matters to you?
Shell I'm pretty sure we have discussed all these things before, why do you want to do it again ?
When you have something new to discuss i'd be happy to.
 

DonDeeHippy

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With all the Washington bullshit happening the Trump Flu number are not in the news..
It's getting worse...
307,000 new cases and 4000 deaths just yesterday.4250 deaths the day before...

C-19 is easily this years biggest killer in the USA....

To get a idea of how bad that is, Australia's population is about 13 times smaller than the USA.
That would be 23,600 infection in just one day... Currently Australia has 49,000 infections since C-19 started....

ohh and on the same day Australia had 25 infections... no deaths...

now 4000 deaths with population taken into account would be 307 deaths in one day in Australia....(1066 in Aus)

When I see a 3 day lock-down or the alternative like USA or even where our leader lives in England, I'm glad to be in Australia, even more so in QLD...
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Shell I'm pretty sure we have discussed all these things before, why do you want to do it again ?
When you have something new to discuss i'd be happy to.
I'm pretty sure that there has not been any discussion regarding your blatant, and irresponsible fear-mongering.

I have asked you questions regarding WHY do you selectively mention only the largest numbers of deaths and infections, somewhere ELSE in the world? No answer.

I have asked you WHY do you not mention the numbers of people who will survive this virus, or give the true numbers of those who are infected? Since everyone infected, is NOT going to die? Still no answers.

I have given you the evidence, and the scientific reasoning for why masks/distancing can't, and don't work. As well as, the importance (and the curse) of our immune system. Still no comments.

I have asked you, what are the direct causal factors that relate directly to, and would justify any lockdown? No answer.

I have asked you if you would also include the percentages of the total populations who are not infected, and who are not dead? Ignored.

I have asked you to include the demographics of those infected(mostly over 70yo), and if there were any other underlying chronic illnesses that affected on their deaths, just to give some context to your one-sided stats? Also, ignored.

Finally, I have asked you what does any of the stats that occur outside of our borders, have anything directly to do with any stats that occur inside of our borders? Speculations, is just another argument from ignorance. Still no answers.

Clearly, you are unaware, don't care, or just enjoy the attention. I don't know which. But what I do know is, that you will continue to avoid the questions, and will keep spewing out half-truths and misinformation out of context. No matter how many times I point it out. And, no matter how much unnecessary fear and panic you may cause.

Therefore, there has never been any kind of true discussion.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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With all the Washington bullshit happening the Trump Flu number are not in the news..
It's getting worse...
307,000 new cases and 4000 deaths just yesterday.4250 deaths the day before...

C-19 is easily this years biggest killer in the USA....

To get a idea of how bad that is, Australia's population is about 13 times smaller than the USA.
That would be 23,600 infection in just one day... Currently Australia has 49,000 infections since C-19 started....

ohh and on the same day Australia had 25 infections... no deaths...

now 4000 deaths with population taken into account would be 307 deaths in one day in Australia....(1066 in Aus)

When I see a 3 day lock-down or the alternative like USA or even where our leader lives in England, I'm glad to be in Australia, even more so in QLD...

I don't really care about the stats in America. Unless, you can demonstrate some direct and relevance link to Australia, it is just more of the same unnecessary fear-mongering.

To get a idea of how bad that is, Australia's population is about 13 times smaller than the USA.
That would be 23,600 infection in just one day... Currently Australia has 49,000 infections since C-19 started....
Again, you are spreading misinformation, and incorrect stats. The total number of confirmed cases of Covid-19, currently in Australia is 28,582(not 49,000). But, the total confirmed number of people who have recovered, is 25,808. This means, that there are only 2,774 people who are still confirmed as infected in Australia. And, with a mortality rate of 0.03, I would expect to see 2,686 people make full recoveries, and 88 people to die from Covid-19. Since the current deaths from Covid-19 has been at around 909 people for a while now, I doubt if we will see any surge of 88 new deaths. So again, just how bad are things here in Australia? Especially, with only 88 people that might die from Covid-19? You would roughly have the same chances of dying from falling out of bed(58 people), or from chocking on food(59 people), than you would from dying from Covid-19 IN AUSTRALIA.


C-19 is easily this years biggest killer in the USA....
Just for more context,

Be careful about comparing daily mortality rates, and daily number of deaths, to those same stats of the normal leading causes of deaths in the US. These numbers will fluctuate daily, and is not a true and accurate representation of the overall true killers in the US. Are you going to mention the days when Covid-19 is NOT the number one killer? Heart attacks, Cancer, accidents, Strokes, have all been consistent throughout many years. But, you are correct, only if you play with the stats to fit your narrative.

When I see a 3 day lock-down or the alternative like USA or even where our leader lives in England, I'm glad to be in Australia, even more so in QLD...
One has absolutely no direct relationship with the other. There is no direct evidence that suggest, that what happens in England or the US will also happen in Australia. This is only speculation and your own personal belief. This lockdown was prompted by the discovery of a 50% less lethal, and more time sensitive strain of the SARS 2 virus, from one person in Australia. It is certainly NOT the government's response that surprises me. It is the apathy, and indifference of its sheep.
 
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