Covid 19 is profiling conservatives ... More people died in Alabama during 2020 than were born as Covid-19 deaths continue rising in the US

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Shellandshilo1956

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wasn't that the point of your last reply given you had already said goodbye in your previous post? :ROFL1:ROFL1:ROFL1
I never said goodbye in the last post you pathetic troll. He did. I said GOOD RIDDANCE!! Now go back and find more insight from the bottom of the bottle. Or when the bar is closed.
 

johnsmith

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I never said goodbye in the last post you pathetic troll. He did. I said GOOD RIDDANCE!!
you acknowledged his goodbye, which in my world is a goodbye of it's own. There is no need to type the exact words. But despite that, you felt like you had to come back and have the last word.

Which is pretty much the same reason why you are arguing now. :ROFL1
 

mothra

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That makes no sense at all. If you were telling me that you are the reincarnation of Napoleon Bonaparte, and was here to save us from being culled on a global level, it would be VERY EASY to ignore you. If you told me that I was Black or Chinese, again, you would be very easy to ignore. Unless of course, what you were saying was true!! Then you are right, this would be very hard to ignore. And, since I only respond to those who respond to my post. So here's a novel idea, SIMPLY DON'T RESPOND TO MY POSTS!! You don't provide any answers to my questions, or any insight or clarity on any topic. So, it is best that you don't venture outside of the choir, if you don't want to hear the truth.

You're just another insecure toadie, who wants to censor anyone who actually backs up their truth claims. And, will do anything to find a remote reason to censor these claims. This is NOT about what I am saying. This is about what you don't want to hear. But you are correct. Most open-minded thinkers wouldn't waste their time on idiots. They would just let them keep stoking their own egos. But I keep hoping that there might be just ONE open-minded person on the forum that is listening.

And, I am NOT saying the exact same thing. It is only you that is hearing the exact same thing. Biased close-minded fanatics, also only hear the exact same thing.



Maybe there is, and maybe there isn't. But you are the last person on the planet to judge me. Or, my mental health. Maybe you guys should start attacking my facts and logic, instead of just name-calling. So go read a book on viruses, immunology, and human physiology, and then bring a better game.
Wrote my thesis on viruses, Shell. And i have 2 medical science degrees.

And you're wrong about just about everything you type. There's no point talking to you though. You're a fanatic.
 

mothra

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I shall raise this again.

I have 3 friends in AUS and one in L.A. who are nurses. (They are fucking exhausted) and don't even start me on the ACU students being asked to help out.

I imagine right now you are dressed as Domi-con smackhead ( apologies that was a bit trump of me. but i hear the despair from them because of people like you, and the powers that be that, (like you don't give a fuck about them). You are not the one wearing PPE for double shifts..... They are fucking knackered as they have been at it for 2 years.

And shout out to the lovely staff who vaccinated my 9 and 6 year old today .... the staff are wonderful........ and shell..... you are welcome.

one last question shell..... how many of those wonderful frontline workers will have the time, the energy, or the impetus to watch some cunt called no-vaxx whack balls around...... sorry i forgot to plug in the ventilator..... was to busy watching the tennis

methinks none of them

Enjoy the open and Hillsong you fucking denier

I have friends working as medical support staff too. They daily go above and beyond. My respect for them is boundless. They are heroes.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Wrote my thesis on viruses, Shell. And i have 2 medical science degrees.

And you're wrong about just about everything you type. There's no point talking to you though. You're a fanatic.
What was the title of your Thesis(Dissertation) on viruses? And, what institution did you submit it? What 2 medical science degrees do you have? Why do you keep telling me about your friends who work in the healthcare industry? My statement was about you working in the healthcare industry. And with 2 medical science degrees, you must have worked many years in the healthcare industry, right? I also wasn't aware that medical degrees required a thesis.

I just don't get it. With your wealth of knowledge, surely you could have pointed out at least WHAT I am wrong about. And, you could have easily explained WHY I am wrong. But, for some reason you chose not to. Other than simply saying that I am wrong. If someone told me that the "cumulus oophorus" is found in the acetabulum and not in the ovaries, I would be very quick to explain why he is mistaken. Why all this aversion and avoidance? It's not personal. It is either right or wrong!

Here are 2 question for you. If one of your medical support staff member misses a muscle, and injects the vaccine directly into the bloodstream, what will happen to the contents? Can the contents affect the ACE2 receptors in the heart, kidneys, testes, brain, eyes, intestines, liver and skin? Will this also create an immune response?

I have friends working as medical support staff too. They daily go above and beyond. My respect for them is boundless. They are heroes.
Yes, and they get paid well for doing their job. A profession that they have chosen. How about the residents working up to 80hr week? Are they also heroes? None of them are heroes if I have to wait 2 hours to be seen. While they're attending to ancillary care. Like I said, you have never worked in the Healthcare Industry. Or, you would never be saying all this bullshit!
 

mothra

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I'm not fool enough to give away identifying information on the internet.

I will tell you that the title of my thesis was:

Viruses: The Social. Political and Ecological Effects of a World Out of Balance"

And Shell, it's easier to tell you what you're right about than what you're wrong about. It would be a far shorter list.

I'll get back to you when it happens.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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I'm not fool enough to give away identifying information on the internet.

I will tell you that the title of my thesis was:

Viruses: The Social. Political and Ecological Effects of a World Out of Balance"

And Shell, it's easier to tell you what you're right about than what you're wrong about. It would be a far shorter list.

I'll get back to you when it happens.
I'll even settle for the short list. It is a little unfair to claim a long list of what I am wrong about, and not explain ONE example of anything on that list. But I'm sure you have your reasons. Again, I am baffled. I'm certainly NOT afraid of being wrong.

What are your medical science degrees? I'm not asking for your name, or coordinator. That title certainly sounds familiar to me. I'll get back to you on that later.
 

mothra

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Alright Shell, i'll tell you a few things wrong with what you've said ... some of which i've called you on before.

... with absolutely no effect mind you. As i'm expecting this excursion will result in.

Firstly, your claim that it's not in a viruses "best interest" to kill it's host. While you're about the business of anthropomorphising fragments of nucleic material, could you try reminding them of that? They appear to have forgotten.

Secondly, you've no idea at all about how mRNA works. What i've bothered to read of your rants is hysterical nonsense.

Wearing a facemask and social distancing is not a violation of your human rights. To suggest so is an absolute affront to real human rights violations.

And most importantly and pertaining to this particular thread ... Covid kills. Directly. Many, many people have been killed directly from Covid. This is irrefutable. If they had comorbidities, it wasn't those that killed them. They were living with those in whatever degree of symptomology. Covid killed them.

And quite fucking frankly, the suggestion that comorbidities killed as some kind of sociopathic, warped, heartless, totally self-absorbed and blatantly socially hostile excuse for the potentially avoidable deaths THROUGH COVID of societies vulnerable? Well, you and your ilk should be ashamed of yourselves.

You won't be, of course. All of this will fall on deaf ears. You've a vacuum sealed head ... nothing goes in, nothing comes out.

AND ... people find themselves vulnerable for a myriad of reasons, not all related to lifestyle choices or aging. To somehow, unbelievably, suggest that vulnerable people are in any way less deserving than the more hale and hearty of all of the protections society can muster is far more fascistic than anything any state or federal government has implemented to try to control this pandemic. But i doubt you can see that.

Not to mention that all over the world, there have been fatality cases amongst the young and strong. Covid can kill. And it does.

Oh, and another stupid thing you've said: viruses don't get weaker as generations pass. Where on earth did you get that from? Most hospitalisations are from Delta. Now Shell, think ... where does that slot in in the progression?
 
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stunspore

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Yes, and they get paid well for doing their job. A profession that they have chosen. How about the residents working up to 80hr week? Are they also heroes? None of them are heroes if I have to wait 2 hours to be seen. While they're attending to ancillary care. Like I said, you have never worked in the Healthcare Industry. Or, you would never be saying all this bullshit!
Were you waiting 2 hours because of covid cases in the hospital?
 

hatty

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What was the title of your Thesis(Dissertation) on viruses? And, what institution did you submit it? What 2 medical science degrees do you have? Why do you keep telling me about your friends who work in the healthcare industry? My statement was about you working in the healthcare industry. And with 2 medical science degrees, you must have worked many years in the healthcare industry, right? I also wasn't aware that medical degrees required a thesis.

I just don't get it. With your wealth of knowledge, surely you could have pointed out at least WHAT I am wrong about. And, you could have easily explained WHY I am wrong. But, for some reason you chose not to. Other than simply saying that I am wrong. If someone told me that the "cumulus oophorus" is found in the acetabulum and not in the ovaries, I would be very quick to explain why he is mistaken. Why all this aversion and avoidance? It's not personal. It is either right or wrong!

Here are 2 question for you. If one of your medical support staff member misses a muscle, and injects the vaccine directly into the bloodstream, what will happen to the contents? Can the contents affect the ACE2 receptors in the heart, kidneys, testes, brain, eyes, intestines, liver and skin? Will this also create an immune response?



Yes, and they get paid well for doing their job. A profession that they have chosen. How about the residents working up to 80hr week? Are they also heroes? None of them are heroes if I have to wait 2 hours to be seen. While they're attending to ancillary care. Like I said, you have never worked in the Healthcare Industry. Or, you would never be saying all this bullshit!
shell answer me this?..... why the fuck are people waiting 2 or more hours?...... because the heroes are overrun because of fuckwits like you.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Huh??

Ever heard of "triage"?
I have. Is there a point here? Triage is NOT treatment. It is simply a procedure/practice that prioritizes who receives medical care first. Nothing to do with waiting hours to see the doctor. Or, am I missing something in your meaning?

All I'm saying is that if doctors and nurses are heroes doing their jobs, than police, firemen, console operators, dishwashers, and all other people doing the jobs they are paid to do, are also heroes.
 

SethBullock

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I have. Is there a point here? Triage is NOT treatment. It is simply a procedure/practice that prioritizes who receives medical care first. Nothing to do with waiting hours to see the doctor. Or, am I missing something in your meaning?

All I'm saying is that if doctors and nurses are heroes doing their jobs, than police, firemen, console operators, dishwashers, and all other people doing the jobs they are paid to do, are also heroes.
My point was that perhaps there were other people ahead of you with more serious problems, or more emergent problems, or more time consuming problems. If you have to wait, you have to wait. But that has nothing to do with how we may choose to regard our medical workers.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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Were you waiting 2 hours because of covid cases in the hospital?
NO! There were only 2 people ahead of me.

So, shell wasn't waiting 2 hours then? surely if went to hospital, can hear from horse's mouth about covid.
Don't know what this even means.

My point was that perhaps there were other people ahead of you with more serious problems, or more emergent problems, or more time consuming problems. If you have to wait, you have to wait. But that has nothing to do with how we may choose to regard our medical workers.
These are all just rationalized assumptions. I have no objective proof if any of these things are true or false. But, if I have to wait for OVER 2hrs, then I am obviously not very high on the priority list. And, they will get to me whenever they have the time to spare.

How I regard healthcare workers and medical professionals? I respect their profession, as much as many other professions. As heroes? Absolutely not! I have worked with them. The gossiping, the politics, the bitching and complaining, the back-stabbing, the mistakes and cover-ups, the brown-nosing, the contemptuous indifference, and condescending attitudes towards their patients, are certainly NOT heroic attributes. But this is just MY opinion, based on MY experience!! How you view them is entirely your business.
 

SethBullock

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NO! There were only 2 people ahead of me.



Don't know what this even means.



These are all just rationalized assumptions. I have no objective proof if any of these things are true or false. But, if I have to wait for OVER 2hrs, then I am obviously not very high on the priority list. And, they will get to me whenever they have the time to spare.

How I regard healthcare workers and medical professionals? I respect their profession, as much as many other professions. As heroes? Absolutely not! I have worked with them. The gossiping, the politics, the bitching and complaining, the back-stabbing, the mistakes and cover-ups, the brown-nosing, the contemptuous indifference, and condescending attitudes towards their patients, are certainly NOT heroic attributes. But this is just MY opinion, based on MY experience!! How you view them is entirely your business.
Then only shining examples of human perfection may be called "heroes"?

I know a now-retired police officer who arrived at a house fire before the Fire Dept. He was told that there was a woman inside the house. He entered, crawling under the thick smoke, found her, and dragged her out, saving her life. When the Fire Department got there, the house was fully involved, and saving her would have been impossible.

He didn't have to do that.

I also remember his faults. He wasn't perfect. Nobody is.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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None of your business ... but nice to see you're trying to track me down already.
Don't flatter yourself! I know enough about you NOT to bother.

Firstly, your claim that it's not in a viruses "best interest" to kill it's host. While you're about the business of anthropomorphising fragments of nucleic material, could you try reminding them of that? They appear to have forgotten.
I think you are smart enough to know that I wasn't being literal. Viruses are not sentient, or self-aware. This is the classic argument from incredulity. How can a piece of genetic material and protein, decide not to kill its host? It can't, since viruses don't have any mechanism to decide anything. But of course, that's was never what I was saying anyway, was it?? But it is still a fact, that viruses do not directly kill their hosts. So, let's hear an expert in the field who disputes this? Other than you!

I was saying that it would be an obvious evolutionary disadvantage for a virus, to continue replicating and destroying cells until the host is dead. Because a dead host would prevent the spreading, and replicating of more viruses. So, in layman's terms, "viruses don't kill you, your body does!". So, is this right or wrong? If so why is this wrong? Do you think your body just stands by and let the virus destroy it? How long do you think it would take, for the viruses to directly destroy over 30 Trillion cells?

Secondly, you've no idea at all about how mRNA works. What i've bothered to read of your rants is hysterical nonsense.
My understanding is that the mRNA molecule is synthesized(created) in the nucleus of the cell. It is a small segment of transcribed DNA into an RNA molecule fragment. This fragment is the mRNA that can encode for proteins. It leaves the nucleus, and travels into the cytoplasm(endoplasmic reticulum). It then joins with the ribosomes of the cell to start translating(translation) this genetic information into proteins. This whole process is called genetic expression. Now I know that I have left out all the different kinds of enzymes and other correction mechanisms and processes. But is this an example of the hysterical nonsense that you are referring to? Please feel free to point out any errors I have made so far, and why.

Wearing a facemask and social distancing is not a violation of your human rights. To suggest so is an absolute affront to real human rights violations.
In my opinion, as long as all options remain voluntary, there are no human rights violations. But, when you force people to wear masks, keep their distance, or be fined or thrown in jail, then this certainly is an invasion of my privacy and a violation of my human rights. But hey, we need to get rid of 3B people to have a sustainable future. 55M global deaths a year, is just too slow. But, by weaponizing a synthetic drug as a systemic weapon, will definitely achieve this goal. Oh, and NOT requiring the company to release everything that is in this drug until 2096, is helpful. And making sure that the company is indemnity-free from any civil prosecution, is also very helpful. So thankyou for your trust, compliance, and gullibility. Again, feel free to point out any errors I've made and why.

And most importantly and pertaining to this particular thread ... Covid kills. Directly. Many, many people have been killed directly from Covid. This is irrefutable. If they had comorbidities, it wasn't those that killed them. They were living with those in whatever degree of symptomology. Covid killed them.

And quite fucking frankly, the suggestion that comorbidities killed as some kind of sociopathic, warped, heartless, totally self-absorbed and blatantly socially hostile excuse for the potentially avoidable deaths THROUGH COVID of societies vulnerable? Well, you and your ilk should be ashamed of yourselves.

You won't be, of course. All of this will fall on deaf ears. You've a vacuum sealed head ... nothing goes in, nothing comes out.
Yeah yeah, I'm a bad person! So spare me all your fake righteous indignation. You're fooling no one outside of the choir. It's hard to read your shit, and still ignore all your unjustified ignorant vitriol and hate. It's difficult to actual find any substance to what you are saying.

Here are more questions for you to ignore. If COVID kills people directly, then what is the mechanism that allows it to do this? If this is irreputable(so you say), then it should be easy to explain. And, why do over 98% of people survive(since comorbidities are irrelevant)? Do you think that the immune system or other comorbidities are just incidental to the cause of death? If I put 100 people in a chamber, and gas them with cyanide, 98 people will NOT survive. The cyanide is the direct cause of death. COVID is not! Again, please point out the errors.

You are so full of yourself! "..excuse for the potentially avoidable deaths THROUGH COVID of societies vulnerable..". Really? And, what about obesity, cigarettes, alcohol abuse, diabetes, or fast foods? Hypocrite! What about all of these easily, and actually avoidable deaths?? You just give them a pass?

AND ... people find themselves vulnerable for a myriad of reasons, not all related to lifestyle choices or aging. To somehow, unbelievably, suggest that vulnerable people are in any way less deserving than the more hale and hearty of all of the protections society can muster is far more fascistic than anything any state or federal government has implemented to try to control this pandemic. But i doubt you can see that.
Are you seriously suggesting that governments should have carte blanche to use whatever restrictions they want to control this epidemic? And that the 99% of the of the population who are uninfected/recovered, should just suck-it-up, or feel guilt and shame because of the other more vulnerable? Are you mad? Here's a novel idea. Why don't we give all the more vulnerable people all the protective restrictions they want, and leave those "hale and hearty" people alone to live the lives they want? What do you think? Selfish??

Oh, and another stupid thing you've said: viruses don't get weaker as generations pass. Where on earth did you get that from? Most hospitalisations are from Delta. Now Shell, think ... where does that slot in in the progression?
Evidence please, not more mouth! My understanding is that mutations(other than random) occur in response to changes in the environment. If the viral spike protein is targeted by the antibodies, then over time, it will mutate to avoid these antibodies(it will adapt). This means changing its phenotype to go undetected. My understanding is, that if you gain in one area, you must lose in another area. In basic thermodynamics, entropy must be maintained, or balanced. For example the Omicron variant is more transmissible, but less virulent(fewer deaths). I don't know the stats on the Delta variants. Other than that a lot of people in a lot of hospitals have it. So what? Is that it?
 
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